The more quantum physics advances, the more aligned it becomes with spiritual teachings that are thousands of years old
a fact is a single truth
a law is a description of why certain facts are the way they are
So why is it phrased in a way to be facts when it’s not? I feel that could easily be avoided if they really wanted you know?
Dr. Richard Tarnas.
Hippocrates
Galileo Galilei
Many intellectuals of the 60s and 70s
Who are some of those intellectuals from the 60s and 70s?
It's good that OP is asking these questions, but by being so aggressive in his questioning, he's kind of spitting in the face of science. He seems to have his mind made up already, which is unfortunate, because he's wrong in this case.
It's an unfortunate train of thought. But it's becoming increasingly more common as folks are deeper and deeper into Internet-based hypotheses instead of genuine research. I also blame our education system for not placating these beliefs.
The more quantum physics advances, the more aligned it becomes with spiritual teachings that are thousands of years old
examples?
Well, laws are based on frequently observed phenomena that are tied to actual facts that can be proven. Unless circumstances change in the environment itself, the law will hold.
If those circumstances were to change, the scientific method would create a new theory to explain that change and, finally, a new scientific law that is continually replicable.
Science is a process, not a theory. Astrology is not a science. You may find worth in it and observe correlations, but there is no provable, systematic explanation for how astrology can be applied to the physical world. It has a unique logic, but it's not a science.
Yes it’s not a science, but why does it have to be to be real? Why does it have to be held to scientific standards?
And circumstances change all the time. Let’s say it’s not “real” now. Was it possible if used to be?
There is a great danger in misunderstanding and mislabeling the purpose of science because it opens the door to pseudoscientific practices that serve as barricades to human progress.
The same people blocking the entrances to vaccination sites are often the same people saying that "science doesn't know everything," though science as a practice makes no specific claims. We utilize the scientific method to understand our world and we need to value it for allowing us to do so, not undercut its worth by placing unrealistic demands upon it.
It sounds like we both agree that there are issues with our education system then
Absolutely. The lack of valuable information causes ignorance which is profitable in society. Wont change or get better
The more quantum physics advances, the more aligned it becomes with spiritual teachings that are thousands of years old
Do you have an example of this?
Read up on a concept called the "Demarcation problem". It is exactly what you're talking about.
Demarcation is more than a philosophical problem, as modern society not only privileges but depends on scientific knowledge in various ways. For example, we need to be able to distinguish effective medical treatments from quack remedies; we have limited public funding for scientific research and would like to allocate funds appropriately; we need to make political decisions on scientific issues such as climate change. Science is also a central subject in our education systems, and decisions must be made as to what topics should be included in science curricula.
Consequently, society needs to make informed judgments about what is and is not science – and in all of the above dependencies, the critical demarcation issue is between science and pseudoscience (a la, Astrology).
The problem is one of the biggest arguments in the scientific community, so I don't think you're going to find much insight in a KTT2 thread. Definitely do research on it however.
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But to answer your question, we don't have anything other than science. We can't simply "believe" in pseudoscientific endeavors-- not because of the label of pseudoscience, but because we cannot realistically figure out what is real and what isn't. What even is reality? Questions like that can only go so far until we have tested processes to potentially answer them-- and our scientific methods and processes have been the best solution in finding those answers.
Don’t you think that’s where we may have gone wrong? Science can only go so far before we start doing things (that we’ve already done) that are irreversible
And it clouds our reality. Instead of saying this is what we think we know about what we are investigating it comes off as this is what we know for certain about this
this is pretty contentious stuff, but some would argue that modern physics suggests conscious experiences are both relative and the basis for a person's observable reality.
this aligns w a kind of subjective idealism that some ancient civilizations espoused.
fritjof capra's book is really dense, but has a lot to say on the issue if anyone is interested.
edit- i should add that there are heavy criticisms of capra's work.
examples?
I'm by no means an expert on this.
But for instance, both Einstein and Nikola Tesla (and many scientists and geniuses in general) were big into the concepts of energy, vibration, and frequency. They believed that understanding those concepts could lead to an understanding of the Universe.
Steve Jobs was also very spiritual.
Also, y'all know what the double slit experiment is? It basically states that the behavior of electrons changes depending on whether they are being observed or not.
This is huge; it implies that the very act of observing particles changes their behavior.
I find this very a***ogous to the Law of Attraction and the whole concept that our thoughts have an effect on our reality.
There is a lot more to this. It's very interesting
Yes it’s not a science, but why does it have to be to be real? Why does it have to be held to scientific standards?
And circumstances change all the time. Let’s say it’s not “real” now. Was it possible if used to be?
Astrology doesn't have to be scientific nor "real" for it to have worth to individuals. This issue is the crux of many religious debates.
The problem I have is misinterpreting what is scientific while implying that astrology has at least some scientific qualities to it (say, a provable, systematic internal process that offers replicable real world results) when it does not.
But yeah I have no issue with astrology as a concept, only the people who sell it as something it isn't.
Quantum physics states that all matter is just energy/waves. It's all vibrational waves vibrating at different frequencies. This is exactly what spirituality has always been saying
Don’t you think that’s where we may have gone wrong? Science can only go so far before we start doing things (that we’ve already done) that are irreversible
And it clouds our reality. Instead of saying this is what we think we know about what we are investigating it comes off as this is what we know for certain about this
You don't know what you have, or that people tell you why you have it. You assume that you can at least trust your own mind which lets you assume you have an adequate recollection of what you have, and that the ideas you have about why that is the case came from other people.
Science is not a separate entity that is far and away from the common folk. Science is the natural result of YOUR logic and reasoning processes. The scientific community is the result of humans logically and reasonably testing their hypotheses, just as you are right now. They're just very good at it.
Science proceeds by stating assumptions upon which to base a question. The fact that there is a scientific community necessitates the need for shared assumptions. The idea that these assumptions are tested to the best ability of the community is what gives science its credibility.
Science demands that the community stop sacrificing 30 virgins every year, not because of morality or even as a means to argue for an end to the practice, but just to see what happens. The risk of losing the abundance of food might be of concern to the scientists, but that's in their capacity as members of the community, not in their capacity as scientists.
Because of that, it is, in fact, the opposite of what you're claiming. Science doesn't cloud our reality, it tests what our reality can be. A community has been sacrificing 30 virgins forever because they believe it to be right, but science argues "Is this truly our reality?"
Our scientific endeavors may cause actions that are irreversible. But not committing to scientific endeavors is equally concluding. For example, let's regard climate change. Scientific theories and actions based in science may cause irreversible happenings that end up saving the Earth. But non-scientific hypotheses and actions may end up destroying it. Both are irreversible, but our conclusions are as opposed as ever, with the scientific result being tested to save us.
I'm about to not turn this paper in time
you guys are distracting me from my creative process
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so can you explain how the position of the earth and the sun in relation to other stars would determine someone’s personality or predict the future? or why these things are wrong all the f***ing time?
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this is pretty contentious stuff, but some would argue that modern physics suggests conscious experiences are both relative and the basis for a person's observable reality.
this aligns w a kind of subjective idealism that some ancient civilizations espoused.
fritjof capra's book is really dense, but has a lot to say on the issue if anyone is interested.
edit- i should add that there are heavy criticisms of capra's work.
What ancient civilizations? Are we sure we’re not purposely misinterpreting their beliefs just so we can fit them into modern quantum theories?
@I_drive_for_Uber
I'm by no means an expert on this.
But for instance, both Einstein and Nikola Tesla (and many scientists and geniuses in general) were big into the concepts of energy, vibration, and frequency. They believed that understanding those concepts could lead to an understanding of the Universe.
Steve Jobs was also very spiritual.
Also, y'all know what the double slit experiment is? It basically states that the behavior of electrons changes depending on whether they are being observed or not.
This is huge; it implies that the very act of observing particles changes their behavior.
I find this very a***ogous to the Law of Attraction and the whole concept that our thoughts have an effect on our reality.
There is a lot more to this. It's very interesting
Energy, vibration, and frequency are not necessarily spiritual concepts, in most cases they aren’t.
Steve Jobs was not a scientist.