'You dont get "off the grid" quality of artistry without some extent of forced labor'

Like it's a great track but HOW is forced labour necessary there?

who

also ye got a sweatshop lol

im pretty sure it's better working conditions than a f***ing nike sweatshop lmao

forced labor isnt by gunpoint but its "we keep going or you out"

how can the greatest artist just be like you know what "cool you slept in we will work eventually?

sweatshop? high paying, personal chef, long hours yes, iterative, remarkable on resume

you should see an actual sweatshop

Working for Kanye is like working for rockstar. You gotta sleep under your desk to design stupid s*** like horse testicles

This is not a stan issue when you realize how prevalent this is lmaooo

Favorite shoe? Forced labor?

yeah that's what i mean - kanye's working conditions definitely way better than a fortune 500 i don't know what she's talking about lol

If so much of the art (In all mediums) we are getting is forgettable or comes and goes. Some of the best art looks at Rockstar, Cyberpunk situation, Donda may come from crunch and extremely passionate people pushing themselves harder than they have ever pushed themselves or believed possible. Art isn't a 9-5 especially when someone may listen once and never again. That stream of someone saying "cool thats trash I am out" isnt going to pay the bills of however long you spent developing the project, promotional material, tour, merch, management.

Is it wild that Kanye fires team each album ? Yes but its also to avoid becoming stagnant or anyone getting too complacent. They get their chance to go all in . Get Manic.

I can say Engineers shouldnt experience burnout but again if we got album after vegas, lp1,2, 3 right away without proper engineering fans would complain. How you create timeless art but afraid to put time in?

lol he wanted to become Steve Jobs

lol it gets iffy but we cant not acknowledge these conditions exist or that they will all suddenly change

I'll never understand why y'all are trying to make this a Kanye thing when it's literally damn near everyone doing this lmaoo

I know my girl O-Rod wouldn’t do this to me

Yeah ig it’s difficult bc this was a convo had about idk the restaurant industry before, where some people argued kitchens were ran on a culture of abuse really. But I think since then and after a lot of critique within the industry, restaurants have largely grown out of that. Maybe its because everyone’s now being considered as part of a team working for a goal, rather than a group of people merely working for one person and one person’s goal? Here, obviously if you work for an artist, I don’t see an artist letting go of their ego enough to cede to teamwork-based collaboration ever. If you work for Kanye you work for Kanye. If you work for drake you work for drake. There’s no sort of “oh you’re working for Kanye but what’s your thoughts on how this should end up” if you’re not an established artist Kanye respects.

This is true if you ever seen a documentary on how movies are made you realize the hell they go through

Post smell like capitalism

Guess where we live 😭

Murica

Pop music usually has a s*** ton of more tracks in their sessions comparatively to rap so Idk but this is something that is expected going into it for people more experienced which is why some burn out n quit or try to work their way up to the point of having enough credits as to which they don't have to deal with it

Like we can no longer pretend that behind the bots flipping shoes for 1000$ that there isn't a child putting in the actual labor. Which is why NFTs trend is interesting. Which is why things like Endless or Donda stream showing the creative process and literally sleeping waking up and going right back to it are interesting. We dont get some of the greatest art without pushing ourselves beyond our expectations

the forced labor part gets iffy but if you order something off amazon right now and choose "delivery today"

you want it today right?

there is a driver, worker, person who made original product. People want things instantly but time is the only thing we have.

you type this from a computer or phone?

Couldn’t even credit the dude smh

As someone who works in food industry this is especially true. Everyone was laughing when they were in 1 hour lines for a chicken sandwich but she says it about art and suddenly everyone is Bernie sanders

Shout out the public sector for funding so we can have phones n computers

lol