True, but argument is wrongly constructed, it's like asking writer of Strangers in the Night why he didn't make an album with All or Nothing at All on it.

I think Ye himself never aimed to be the best rapper imo

He always aimed for the more artistically way and thats why I'm kinda surprised he's still doing rap records like this. I wasn't surprised when he told us that he wanted to stop with rap and wanted to do a sing/melodic record in 2019 because he clearly loves to sing nowadays and he improved massively with that

Jail is literally a rock/industrial pop anthem

should OP stop making threads if he can’t even write the titles in proper English?

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Edit: except Yeezus is also certified classic incredible perfect album

This so much

Yes brother I thought exactly this too recently that’s the sad truth

Of course you are a fan, but my criticism of many Kanye fans is that they criticise him too much, you should really appreciate what level of artist you are a fan of.

Some(!) people in Russia say: We criticize Putin not because he is Putin, but because he is not Putin enough.
I guess I feel the same about Kanye sometimes.

Heres the interview i was referencing.

For the record I write all my own s*** and believe that is what a true MC should do.

youtu.be/zrpMihSD3uI

Jump to 46:16

This is were he talks about hip hop competing with other genres who have a slew of writers.

Pce, got work to do!

No. It doesn’t matter who wrote the song, the lyrics, anything. Only thing that matters is the finished product.

Of course he has a pen. Not at the level of the most elite rappers, but to say he doesn't have a pen is absurd. And I guarantee you he writes a lot more than you give him credit for.

He's written and produced more great music for himself and others than most artists we talk about on ktt ever will.

Nothing can take away from that. But it's always been a reality that the way he's managed to be so prolific for so long is by using more and more writers and producers.

I think it's fair to say albums like the College Dropout are more 'solo' efforts than most rap albums. He produced almost every beat, if he only wrote a few verses on Dropout, then he'd have already written more of his album himself than artists who only rap or only produce.

since Grad then it's become less and less 'solo'. I think the turning point was around 08-2010. that was also when he became less essential to other artist's music too.

I'm sure we still get some great writing from Ye though, you'll just never be able to trust where it is. People say he wrote NMPILA and that he produced a few beats on Daytona himself, for example.

Does it really affect your enjoyment ? Would you prefer his bars reflect recent interviews?

I don’t really mind I think Kanye is really just more a producer and collector or vibes than a singer-songwriter and has been pretty much since MBDTF

even if he only wrote a handful of raps entirely on his own for his early albums, he'd still have an amazing pen.

I think 2018 was probably the point where he was writing less than ever. But he did make some solo beats then for Push

yeah u can hear like 100 different people worked on donda, its super unfocused

I'm pretty sure Rhymefest only wrote some of the first verse.

But even if he wrote all the lyrics. Kanye made the beat with no coproducers and it's one of the best songs musically in his discography.

That should count as writing half the song. Kanye only has to have written a few lines and he's written most of the song.

Beatmakers are songwriters. Like how in Elton John music he does the instrumental, Bernie writes the lyrics for him. On Dropout, that's Kanye's process at the very least. And I feel like he probably wrote songs like All Falls Down himself

Loads of classic songwriters never have hits as performers. I don't get this argument. Look at Paul Williams or Burt Bacharach or Max Martin.

agreed op but I mean, I've listened to Up from the Ashes demo, and there is Rooga's reference track for Jesus Lord, Kaycyy wrote 24(?), I'm so fed up with this, Kanye doesn't write rappy raps, he doesn't write songy songs either, so what the hell does he do, mumbling, dude.
Just work on some production (with your 100+ army of co-producers) and that's all, say that you came up with the concept of this person called Kanye West and all songs are about him, sang by people who wrote them.

Rhymefest wrote the first verse and part of bridge

Songs Ye wrote by himself

Power
Through the wire
All falls down
Heard me say
Gold digger
Say you will
Black Skinhead ( og version) Lupe helped with final

Bad News
Lost in the world
Gorgeous
Can’t tell me nothing
Everything I am
Big brother
NMPILA
Saint Pablo
I Love Kanye
Hands On
Monster and helped with Nicki verse

This is excluding feat verses

Damn… all mid

If he didn't, we wouldn't have gotten the Jesus Lord and Cudi Montage verses so f*** that

(I don't know if he wrote those or not, I would just be shocked if he did)

Honestly doesn't bother me.
You could put all of his writers and producers in one room but without Kanye's vision they wouldn't be able to put together something as good as MBDTF or Yeezus