I guess my thought on it is when you say you’re in favor of universal health care that applies to everyone even if they are willingly or unwillingly ignorant. Would be contradictory to support something like then but then take exceptions to who it applies to

You realize people have always been forced to go sober/take vaccines to qualify for organs right?

Like this has been happening for decades

People who are heavy drinkers or smokers are forced to go sober when they undergo a lung or kidney transplant

devil advocate: its still the doctors job to save them. They don't believe in the vaccine, not the doctor

In fact, let’s reframe this question

Should private healthcare providers be required to provide valuable organs to patients who won’t undergo the health-related measures to live wih those transplanted organs?

Before Covid, you already need to have the requisite vaccinations or you would be denied certain transplants and treatments. This is just another vaccine to the list. Keep it moving

Nah if you don’t believe in medicine then you shouldn’t believe in the doctor. That’s contradictory thinking

interesting to hear. What are the major vaccinations you needed? Assuming flu and others?

med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/bugsanddrugs/documents/clinicalpathways/SHC-Vaccination-SOT.pdf,

In terms of transplant it seems kinda fair considering you are high risk for Covid

Its like how you to have to have a record of sobriety for 6 months to qualify for a liver transplant

Although the post above mentions needing to have other vaccinations which is obviously much more relevant. You're on immuno d**** for the rest of your life after transplant so yeah the requirements are strict so the transplanted organs aren't wasted

Assumption correct, but it’s already in the article you shared:
Brigham and Women's Hospital declined to comment on D.J. Ferguson's case, citing patient privacy laws. But it pointed to a response that it posted on its website in which it said the COVID-19 vaccine is one of several immunizations required by most U.S. transplant programs, including a flu shot and hepatitis B vaccines.

The hospital said research has shown that transplant recipients are at higher risk than non-transplant patients of dying from COVID-19, and that its policies are in line with the recommendations of the American Society of Transplantation and other health organizations.

It depends on the facility/institution

nm.org/-/media/northwestern/resources/patients-and-visitors/patient-education-about-your-surgery/northwestern-medicine-vaccinations-before-and-after-heart-transplant.pdf

No and I can't believe this is even a debate. This country is doomed if some of you actually think people should be turned away from hospitals. Transplant requirements are different because those have always been strict but in general no

No. They are stupid, but no.

Especially because they pay taxes too, so they should be allowed to go to public hospitals

Yup that s*** is brutal i had patients waiting for kidneys and they had the strictest f***ing rules they watch all your numbers to make sure youre eating right and s***.

Cant wait for lab grown organs cuz waiting for organs sucks.

is healthcare a human right?

What if I have no insurance and there’s no way I can pay

All things being equal, if u gotta choose between somebody whos unvaxed and vaxed getting a transplant the vaxed one should get ut

Real

What about the people who are unvaccinated but stay at home and follow all the rules and people who are vaccinated but go against the rules and spread the virus?

I don't think just being vaccinated by itself is a good enough factor to make a conclusion

Yes, it's perfectly fine to turn away these candidates. Don't know if those articles touch on it but after you get transplants you are usually put on some immune system suppressor so your body doesn't reject the organ. While your in that weakened state, anything could kill you, especially covid.

Getting b****es mandate*

*= This mandate is not heteronormative. B****es is a gender and sexually neutral term

Yes which is why it should be free and available to everyone

However since it's not they should be forced to carry the financial burden themselves since the alternative was getting the vaccine for free