This is a topic I've been thinking about a little lately

Often when an artist does something that's generally considered immoral or unethical etc. we tend to transfer our despise from them onto their art.

It's been happening in rap music for years. XXXTENTACION was paying for mistakes from his past for his whole career, whenever Tory Lanez releases something first comments are about the Megan situation, and so on...

But looking at the art in general there's a pattern of creating your best works while being in the darkest places.
Some beautiful paintings, songs, books wouldn't have been written if the artist wasn't damaged in some way.

The biggest creations come from the most damaged people

Shouldn't we acknowledge the fact that damaged people can create great art? And go a step further... separate their personal actions from the art in a way where we can, at the same time, enjoy their creations and strongly stand against their actions?

I guess in music it's harder to separate the art from a musician because no matter where we listen to their music (unless we illegally download it from the web) we simultaneously financially support them. We pay for Spotify, YouTube pays them for the ads we watch on their music videos etc.

It's also interesting from a bit opposite perspective where we tend to glorify and celebrate artists that we don't even know in real life. We know them only by their art yet we're willing to justify all their actions and, even more, follow those actions and try to be like them.

What are your thoughts on this? Should an artists be a whole with his art or should we be able to separate the person behind the art from their creations?

just lock it up

Thanks for your input that's a really interesting perspective

Depends rly

R Kelly is one thing bc it's also hard to ignore he singing about minors in his songs

Ye for example is different bc all he's rly done is have really dumb takes on s*** he's ignorant about, like that doesn't rly affect the way i listen to 24

Would be different if he started making tom macdonald type songs lmao

no. tbh i feel like we should but that's problematic.

you can't separate art from the artists.
it demeans what they made.

honestly we should just be honest about the heros we champion.

and consume their art regardless.

seperating the art from the artist has to deal with morality and laws and trying to look like a humane person while still condoning what's being put out there.

enjoy the art as art. all that other s*** is for god and the justice system to decide.

At the end of the day, if the art is good enough it's gonna outlive all involved.

Ye literally endorsed trump u sucking his peepee

Stfu i literally said that was dumb in my post lmao

We always should. This isn’t a rap music thing either. Truth is, most entertainers and artists at the highest levels are terrible people. Matter fact doesn’t matter what field they’re in.

he’s no better than tom mcdonald bruh

I brought tom macdonald up bc his music revolves around his dumb takes, unlike ye

Anyway not gonna get sucked into an argument with somebody who has toddler level reading comprehension, have a nice day

Bro listen if I like an artist enough I would listen even if they were f***ing hitler

I used to think you can when I was younger but as someone who recently got into philosophy I say no because art itself is an expression of the artist. That what makes every piece of art so unique. They don't exist in a vacuum even hypothetically they can't. You can never truly understand and appropriate your favorite movies, paintings, songs, books, etc without first understanding the motivations behind it, the goals an artist has, the process and time they went through and took to make it. The works that came before it also help tell the bigger story. You would have to be a casual mindless consumer to just take it in as a product and not as the extention of a person that it is. If you do that I don't blame you because thats how most people are.

One thing is you don't have to do mental gymnastics to defend or undermine the actions they did. It's more honest if you just come right out and admit you don't care enough

Depends on your own personal values and if it affects your experience of the art. Also liking certain art shouldn't be shouldn't bring people to pass judgement on you as if it is an acceptance of negative actions or character of an artist.

Theres no „we“ in this its a personal decision for every individual and every artist

Abel could do some awful things I would still bump trilogy and kiss land

I don’t care what an artist does in their personal life. Not my business.

They could be the worst person ever but if they made good music then I’ll still listen to it.

Yea, separate it if you want to. I separate for some artists and don’t for others. But I’m aware that some people wouldn’t be comfortable with me playing an artist in front of them so I don’t.

Most celebrities are morally depraved people. If you don’t separate the art from the artist, then you’ll have little to no art

Yes and whoever disagrees is a loser. Argue with a wall!

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Nope

Separating the art from the artist is just a coping mechanism to justify s***ty things your fav has done so you can keep liking them without feeling guilty

You gotta take the good with the bad

Yes

It depends on what the artist be on. If it’s a nigga like R Kelly then hell no. Nigga made music inspired by minors, that’s not something that’s easy to look past unless you’re some weirdo.