Nov 10, 2021¡1 reply
Scratchin MambaDepends rly
R Kelly is one thing bc it's also hard to ignore he singing about minors in his songs
Ye for example is different bc all he's rly done is have really dumb takes on s*** he's ignorant about, like that doesn't rly affect the way i listen to 24
Would be different if he started making tom macdonald type songs lmao
What would you consider Ye Vs The People if that isnât Tom McDonald type music
Nov 10, 2021- Nov 10, 2021
The Darkest AngelI used to think you can when I was younger but as someone who recently got into philosophy I say no because art itself is an expression of the artist. That what makes every piece of art so unique. They don't exist in a vacuum even hypothetically they can't. You can never truly understand and appropriate your favorite movies, paintings, songs, books, etc without first understanding the motivations behind it, the goals an artist has, the process and time they went through and took to make it. The works that came before it also help tell the bigger story. You would have to be a casual mindless consumer to just take it in as a product and not as the extention of a person that it is. If you do that I don't blame you because thats how most people are.
One thing is you don't have to do mental gymnastics to defend or undermine the actions they did. It's more honest if you just come right out and admit you don't care enough
- Nov 10, 2021
CherrywineMost celebrities are morally depraved people. If you donât separate the art from the artist, then youâll have little to no art
- Scratchin Mamba âď¸Nov 10, 2021¡1 replyLarry Hoover Fan
What would you consider Ye Vs The People if that isnât Tom McDonald type music
Nah it kinda is tbh lol that's why it's his worst song ever
Nov 10, 2021
honey beatsRight
I still don't have a clear view of how to put my feelings into words
But I just wonder should this be a thing that guys like Polanski make masterpieces and then you cannot in public say "this movie is a masterpiece" without someone saying "you shouldn't say that because this guy is a pedo"
It just feels wrong
So maybe not separate the art from the artist, because the art is essentially the artist, but separating the art from the actions? from the consequences of his actions?
There must be a line between saying a murderers art is amazing and actually supporting murder
I think its when you actively support problematic artists that it gets kinda complicated, some people will say they separate the art from the artist but will then go to every lengths to defend said artist
- Nov 10, 2021Scratchin Mamba
Nah it kinda is tbh lol that's why it's his worst song ever
Ngl Iâm mad he wasted that beat on it cause that was one of my favorite beats from him that era
Purrp đNov 10, 2021Scratchin MambaDepends rly
R Kelly is one thing bc it's also hard to ignore he singing about minors in his songs
Ye for example is different bc all he's rly done is have really dumb takes on s*** he's ignorant about, like that doesn't rly affect the way i listen to 24
Would be different if he started making tom macdonald type songs lmao
Whatâs f***ing me up about Ye is he refuses to stop and acknowledge his ignorance. Instead it comes off like he tries to outdo himself with the next bit of it making it harder to separate Ye the person and Ye the artist for me
Nov 19, 2021everyone saying no is so cap
a couple artists in your top 10 has done some things that don't sit right with your spirit. humans are s***ty people, it is what it is- Nov 19, 2021
Man⌠itâs your ears. Do what u want with em. None of this celebrity/artist s*** matters like that in the real world.
- Nov 20, 2021
Yes but social media made virtue signaling niggas favorite hobby so support of someoneâs art opens you up for people to reach with the âyou support a __â as opposed to no nigga I just like this song lol
That being said I make beats and have come across some R Kelly samples that are kinda eerie in context so it depends on what theyâre accused of and how true the accusations are. Itâs kinda weird to listen to R Kelly now knowing what most of that subject matter is based around.
But most of this s*** (outside of unique situations like r Kelly where the subject matter and crimes kinda go together) is just people feigning outrage on the TL for us all to see and repost forever to flex their âmoralsâ lol
americana đŞ˝Nov 20, 2021¡edited¡1 replyArt is always meant to be the expression of the artist that created it, and their subjective viewpoint of that topic at hand is exactly what brings value to the art. Not only is separating the art from the artist very reductionist in that you remove a LOT of context for the work, but you also invalidate the work that the artist does to create that art by saying that the thing that they make should not be associated with them
- americana đŞ˝Nov 20, 2021
A Starry Night is just a pretty painting when you remove it from the context of who Van Gogh was, what the painting meant to him, and what itâs meant to represent
And reducing art to just âprettyâ objects is the worst thing you can do to art
- Nov 20, 2021americana¡ edited
Art is always meant to be the expression of the artist that created it, and their subjective viewpoint of that topic at hand is exactly what brings value to the art. Not only is separating the art from the artist very reductionist in that you remove a LOT of context for the work, but you also invalidate the work that the artist does to create that art by saying that the thing that they make should not be associated with them
- Nov 20, 2021
You never do and you never allow anyone to tell you it is fine. The art allows the artist to do what they do outside of the art. An artist is abusing kids? I bet the art and celebrity is making it much easier for them to abuse kids.