Honestly doesn't matter what the credentials of the critics are. These lists and all others like them are a disease in film culture. They hinder wider discovery and appreciation, and their negative impact lasts for many decades.

reddit-core really won

watch more films , you sound goofy af

ranking the Top 10.
1. Citizen Kane
2. Mulholland Drive
3. Vertigo
4. 2001
5. Tokyo Story
6. Jeanne Dielman
7. Man with a Movie Camera
8. In The Mood for Love
9. Singin' In The Rain (this one's way too high imo and wouldn't make my Top 500)

For some reason I have seen other Denis films but not Beau Travail. I guess it's about time.

Y’all needa stop getting mad at the lack of famous movies 😭 it’s not like history is working its way towards a final ‘objective’ list of great films

I’m glad a relatively obscure pick like Daisies is getting it’s due

You frame this as due to the expanded critics grouping, but l’avventura was ranked like top 10 for the second poll when it was a year old. That is a GREAT movie (imo) but I think other examples can be found too.

That’s just to say, I don’t think this is a matter of the new group preferring recent movies more than previous voters

I think people here (myself included) are complaining the opposite, some basic picks were unnecessary

no em-dash bombs, but you're technically right. the necessity for lists like these weaned off (even though I still enjoy them) around the time internet became a thing. forums, discord and letterboxd has done much more for me than a poll ever will in terms of personal growth in filmwatching.

the fact that films can be left off due to not having a good or no restoration (fact for certain films where you can trace its bump back up after a resto on the S&S poll), populism or recency bias sucks honestly.

the belgians first started this practice of making lists in the 50s and when you had nothing but a pen and a paper and your own memory to make up your own cinema canon if you were a film buff. perhaps it's moot, but it's tradition at this point. we also have a tendency to LOVE to categorize and rank stuff (looking at you @Elric )

list like these only become dangerous when you treat them like "watch this but nothing else". all it really is celebrate, categorize, assess films from throughout history in the year of 2022.

Atleast my favorite Hitchcock film is in the top 3

now you're comparing 1962 with a practice that came around in the 80s where they waited for a film to settle a bit before putting it on the list, about 2 polls was standard.

honestly, there are too many factors involved here (seven samurai only had an european release in 81, thus making the list for the first time in 82. availability, restoration, etc. all plays a role

In the mood for love

Or Porco

peaks

It’s a fair comparison imo. A new movie arriving at 30 and others way lower on the list is pretty restrained when you recall instances where new movies arrived within the top 10.
Nonetheless, it is worthwhile to consider how previous lists promoted a feeling of anti-recency to such a stringent extent. If I were making my own ballot of 10 movies it’s not beyond the pale to imagine ONE movie from the 2010s making my list (though there could just as easily be 0). I just imagine that’s how other voters went too.

I think people just avoid picking new movies out of a fear of being proved ‘wrong’ in the future, but perhaps that is playing things too safe? I have no doubt all of the newer movies selected have already inspired working directors, and it’s mostly a loud minority that dislike stuff like Get Out (it wouldn’t be on my list but I’m not surprised enough people like it to arrive here)

honestly british hitchcock > american hollywood with the exception of foreign correspondent

I blame the recent bias due to what new critics picked out some s***e and there are some fair amount gets left out for moving up one spot. I would like to see their lists like they did in 2012. Compared to the directors list, it's fairly better even big slappers on there. I ain't complaining, but it's good to criticize and debate.

I really love how the grouping of Akerman / Varda / Denis are finally getting something like a formal, visible re-canonization here. Even Julie Dash! The inclusion of Daughters of the Dust was so unexpected but 100% deserving (it’s funny, even when I was watching Touki Bouki last night I couldn’t help but notice how it’s Black actors were poorly captured by the camera- something that basically got revolutionized w Dash’s revised approach to lighting w/ Black actors!). I’d drop a Hitchcock to make room for Cheryl Dunye’s The Watermelon Woman too, but the expanded voting clearly promoted the inclusion of more films directed by women. That’s a CLEAR improvement from prior lists and does a small part to improve popular film discourse

Killers of Sheep moving up (I think) is big too. If only that movie, along w other L.A. Rebellion stuff, was easier to find in good quality! Let’s hope for some future restorations and ease of access 🫰🏾 More African directors too!

No list is perfect but this is prob the best list I’ve seen from a publication.

Obviously order can always be argued and there are a few questionable selections, but there’s really nothing but killers on this list

John Ford sticks out like a thumb, but Howard Hawks erasure

Is Jeanne Dielman 23 good?

Which it tried to replicate?