wayne lived in harlem back in the mid 2000s

im really tired of yall creating this narrative that SFG isnt the most important mixtape of the f***ing 2010s (even though it dropped in 09)

and i dare one of u losers to say AKNC

808’s was much closer to RnB then SFG, look at the difference between Say You Will and Say What’s Real

SFG actually killed RnB because it was actually just moody rap with RnB undertones, and that’s became passing for RnB and lowered the bar

Since SFG very few mainstream urban artists even attempt to make pure RnB

nigga WHAT

funny thing is ppl just hear both drake and ye singing but don't realize their topics are totally different. Drake sings more about heartbreak cause he's looking for love by going through his history with woman whereas Ye comes from a place of regret and messing up with that one woman and the death of his loved ones.

i cant wait until im writing the history books

I actually listened to both when they dropped, I would know what im talking about

Lowkey right about it killing R&B but I will have to say that SFG is a little closer to R&B than 808s

if they wanted to be right, they would say Drake took kanyes transparent subject matter from his earlier albums and mixed it with the singing and rapping of 808s but theyre not smart enough to come up with a argument that sound

why are u implying i didnt

"killing rnb" is a stretch, it created a subgenre of RNB that became more popular than it in the 2010s. dark moody rnb with rap undertones.

More like most b****uential 😂😂

A big connection is also the drum machines and the general nocturnal feel of the production

Even the Weeknd admitted his sound was influenced by Drake's sound.

no one talks about how before SFG being a rapper and a singer was an absolutely mind blowing thing that only andre kanye and lauryn had done properly before. now its a requirement

no one wants to acknowledge how SFG established the modern mixtape

GIVE THE CREDIT

Let’s be honest the most influential take this decade is probably a Chief Keef mixtape, the kids of the better part of this decade have been trying to emulate him or Young Thug

only person that did SFG before Drake was Cudi

and cudi influenced 808s more than any other artist around ye so lets really talk about influence

Cudi doesn’t get his due

SFG established the idea that its ok to put a mixtape out with 90% original work. nigga almost got a grammy off a mixtape that was unheard of at the time. no sfg no xxx no LLA no HOB

SFG kinda made rapping and singing the standard tho

People really didn’t consider it r&b because he used auto tone. There are no melodies in 808s from Kanye himself that would consider itself r&b. Singing, melodies is still the number 1 factor.

Drake wasn’t there vocally then to where he is now, but he still used his voice. Also, Drake also included r&b artist from that era on his project.

808s is the blueprint, but SFG is the finished product.

I mean to their point I can't think of an Rnb act mainstream wise that doesn't have a hiphop cadence or sound after SFG.
Frank
Weeknd
Bryson Tiller
Tory
Aboogie all do rnb and have hiphop cadences.
I guess Chris brown is the exception

I’d argue SFG is top 1 Drake but y’all not ready for that yet

100% correct in everyway

the melodies on 808s were country tunes according to kanye. i know yall remember the interview of him singing Heartless in a country voice :clap:

niggas really calling 808s rnb bro yall need to stop speaking on black art

its arguable. imo its such a goat project, him at his most experimental