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  • Jul 6, 2020
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    theDonandOnly

    yeah i'm not denying that bro

    But I don't believe everyone can become a boss. There's lots of reasons for that, and your attitude towards workers should effect that. But if you believe you're living in a meritocracy then sure I can see why you'd think that

    Bosses don't have the right to sit on people just because they became more successful than them. Treating workers fairly is a principle, it's also one that will protect the future kanyes. as i said there was a time when ye was very pro worker in his music because that was his life then

    Not to mention the obvious flaw in his logic that by definition of capitalism not everyone can become a boss, and it’s a requirement in every corporation that the working class will be taken advantage of while the vast majority of the surplus of their value added goes right to their bosses. It’s nice to tell the individual to just “become a boss” but this is a broad systemic issue.

  • Jul 6, 2020
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    YaBoiCarl

    Not to mention the obvious flaw in his logic that by definition of capitalism not everyone can become a boss, and it’s a requirement in every corporation that the working class will be taken advantage of while the vast majority of the surplus of their value added goes right to their bosses. It’s nice to tell the individual to just “become a boss” but this is a broad systemic issue.

    yeah this exactly too

    it's always the same with this basic argument tho. don't expect actually powerful people to sort the climate crisis, do more recycling and obviously people should recycle more, but individual responsibility or just rampant individualism in general won't be enough

  • Jul 6, 2020

    I’m about to unfollow this section

  • FlipFlop

    Its so Easy to become a boss to a huge company wow I dont know why I never thought about it !!!!!

    Did anything in my post say it was easy?

    It won't be easy but it won't kill you either

    And also

    I didn't say to become "the boss", either.

    I said to become "a boss", so become a boss at whatever you want to do

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    theDonandOnly

    yeah i'm not denying that bro

    But I don't believe everyone can become a boss. There's lots of reasons for that, and your attitude towards workers should effect that. But if you believe you're living in a meritocracy then sure I can see why you'd think that

    Bosses don't have the right to sit on people just because they became more successful than them. Treating workers fairly is a principle, it's also one that will protect the future kanyes. as i said there was a time when ye was very pro worker in his music because that was his life then

    Lol bro

    "treat workers fair"

    Define fair... Bc "fair" is going to be a different definition for every single worker and person

    There is no universal "fairness"

    Also... Yes... Everyone CAN become a boss. Anyone that can work for someone else and make enough money doing that can become their own boss and make a living working for themselves
    How long it will take them will change person to person, but my first post literally gave a 25 year span. From 18 to 43... Anyone that is able to work a regular job, can become a boss in that time. They may only make 30k a year being their own boss but that doesn't mean they can't do it
    They may not want to do it bc they think being a worker is better than being a boss, but if they think that then don't complain

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    theDonandOnly

    yeah i'm not denying that bro

    But I don't believe everyone can become a boss. There's lots of reasons for that, and your attitude towards workers should effect that. But if you believe you're living in a meritocracy then sure I can see why you'd think that

    Bosses don't have the right to sit on people just because they became more successful than them. Treating workers fairly is a principle, it's also one that will protect the future kanyes. as i said there was a time when ye was very pro worker in his music because that was his life then

    Kanye is still very pro worker. That's why he's bringing jobs to America and talks about the average working man's perspective all the time

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    YaBoiCarl

    Not to mention the obvious flaw in his logic that by definition of capitalism not everyone can become a boss, and it’s a requirement in every corporation that the working class will be taken advantage of while the vast majority of the surplus of their value added goes right to their bosses. It’s nice to tell the individual to just “become a boss” but this is a broad systemic issue.

    Everyone can become a boss because the "working class" will just be robots instead of people.
    Everyone in America can be a boss before we have robots doing everything as well bc everyone in America could be a boss of "workers" in other countries

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    theDonandOnly

    yeah this exactly too

    it's always the same with this basic argument tho. don't expect actually powerful people to sort the climate crisis, do more recycling and obviously people should recycle more, but individual responsibility or just rampant individualism in general won't be enough

    Rampant individualism is the only reason why we have the modern world that we have

    Kanye is a rampant individual
    Elon is a rampant individual
    Jack Dorsey
    Even S, the owner of this site, is a rampant individual.
    There is something for everyone to do and give to the world, our country rn is just not structured in a way where we are efficiently mining that out of people (maybe bc "they" don't want everyone to be a boss)

    You do realize... Me saying "everyone needs to become their own boss" implies a time span due to the word "become", right?

    If you are 18 duh you are not a boss.
    My very first post obviously said that there are people who 25 years later are still working the same cashier job instead of becoming a boss over time

  • Jul 7, 2020
    KalamariFromParty

    Rampant individualism is the only reason why we have the modern world that we have

    Kanye is a rampant individual
    Elon is a rampant individual
    Jack Dorsey
    Even S, the owner of this site, is a rampant individual.
    There is something for everyone to do and give to the world, our country rn is just not structured in a way where we are efficiently mining that out of people (maybe bc "they" don't want everyone to be a boss)

    You do realize... Me saying "everyone needs to become their own boss" implies a time span due to the word "become", right?

    If you are 18 duh you are not a boss.
    My very first post obviously said that there are people who 25 years later are still working the same cashier job instead of becoming a boss over time

    fam there were still successful individuals before we took the specific aspects of individualism i'm talking about to a continuing extreme.

    you don't have to neglect the collective completely just for individual people or innovators to succeed. it's not like one or the other. both things can happen. and really both should compliment each other, rather than hold each other back. i'm sure me and you are both super individualistic in some ways, but i don't think you need to carry that through to everything you do.

    the interesting thing about kanye is thematically at least in his music it's always felt like he was in a push or pull between those two modes. it's sort of encapsulated a bit in that line about how 'always said if i rapped i'd say something significant/now i'm rapping money hoes and rims again...'

    also tho maybe that cashier just had other constraints, like why should they be looked at as 'oh well screw you you just didn't become a boss'. who knows what they had going on personally? and like we need cashiers way more than we need a lot of people in higher paid roles with more agency, so maybe we should be more grateful for them not doing whatever you think they could have easily done to become 'a boss'

  • Jul 7, 2020
  • Jul 7, 2020
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    KalamariFromParty

    Lol bro

    "treat workers fair"

    Define fair... Bc "fair" is going to be a different definition for every single worker and person

    There is no universal "fairness"

    Also... Yes... Everyone CAN become a boss. Anyone that can work for someone else and make enough money doing that can become their own boss and make a living working for themselves
    How long it will take them will change person to person, but my first post literally gave a 25 year span. From 18 to 43... Anyone that is able to work a regular job, can become a boss in that time. They may only make 30k a year being their own boss but that doesn't mean they can't do it
    They may not want to do it bc they think being a worker is better than being a boss, but if they think that then don't complain

    you can't honestly think the low paid workers we've all relied on to sustain us during coronavirus times have been treated fairly.

    yeah everybody will have a different view on what fairness is. but all i'm sure that guy meant about workers (not that ye will run anyway), was what is his position on workers who are often made powerless compared to their bosses (especially with the deliberate weakening of unions). to me fairness is them not having to get into situations where they can be treated like s*** from a lack of protection. for a start off wages are way too stagnant and way too low, partly because of some of those factors.

    I understand what you're saying technically about people being able to just quick being a worker and become a boss, but in reality it just isn't like that when a lot of people don't have savings or just aren't set up to be 'a boss'. that could be because of anything from pressures/commitments in their lives and a lack of savings cos their money is tied up in rent or providing for their kids, everyday necessities (if they're low paid) or whatever it is to just not having the personality or mental capacity to hold down that kind of role that comes with being a boss. There should be no shame in that for those people and they shoudn't be treated lesser.

    there's also some people in work all week helping their bosses make profits and still ending up in relative in-work poverty. you've maybe just been lucky enough to not have any friends or family find themselves in that situation and i'm happy for you, but surely we can do better than that. i think we've seen over the pandemic just some of the ways bosses are able to take advantage of workers, especially if they're in precarious or zero hours work.

    don't get me wrong i get that there are more global pressing concerns, but the idea that social mobility is just great or something is just not reality for most people

  • Jul 7, 2020

    We shouldn't have someone who's mentally ill & no political background in the oval office.

  • Jul 7, 2020
    KalamariFromParty

    Kanye is still very pro worker. That's why he's bringing jobs to America and talks about the average working man's perspective all the time

    his part on Freeee with cudi is an anthem for everybody in a crappy job to vicariously live through tbf

  • Jul 7, 2020

    op is right

  • Jul 7, 2020

    Kanye will never appeal to the people that actually go vote, so he doesn't stand a chance in hell. Maybe if he actually won the Dem nomination and was up against Trump

  • Jul 7, 2020
    YaBoiCarl

    Stop seeing things through the lens of a fan. Suggesting he would be a decent presidential candidate is a joke.

    Lower taxation? Yeah for big corporations and the rich, which is something he’s been complaining about for so long now. While also obsessing over his and his wife’s billionaire statuses recently at the same time that tens of MILLIONS of Americans are having their health care stripped during a pandemic. Working class America would get f***ed.

    The dude is hyper religious now and undoubtedly opposes women’s abortion rights and maybe even LGBT rights (which is crazy considering how vocally he used to support them). He literally said contraceptives were “eugenics against black people.”

    He’s bipolar and he doesn’t take medication for it anymore. You really think it’s a good idea for the most powerful person in the WORLD to go through the manic highs and lows that Kanye goes through? With the decisions he would have to make on a daily basis that have significant impacts on the country?

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    Jul 7, 2020
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    sc24

    I refuse to vote for someone who actually believes there’s someone in the sky listening to them pray

    Then you won’t be voting for anyone

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    wolves

    Then you won’t be voting for anyone

    Imagine thinking Biden or Trump actually believe in god

  • KEV

    on plus side of thing Kanye has laser focus work ethic, if you just see what the man has done over the years and what he plans to do, reports of him being sleep deprived and Kim saying he works too much

    you can see he cares and tries alot

    and he is actually self-made compared to other 2

    He absolutely no longer has laser focus work ethic lol
    He half asses so much these days

  • wolves 🐺
    Jul 7, 2020
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    sc24

    Imagine thinking Biden or Trump actually believe in god

    I mean they have to say they do, your country is deeply Christian, don’t they even have to have their hand on a bible during inauguration?

  • Jul 7, 2020
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    Psalm

    So Obama wasn’t mentally ill? Seems like you have to be kind of mental to commit that many war crimes. Just because Kanye is transparent about his mental health doesn’t mean other elected leaders don’t struggle either.

    terrible post.

    obama obviously wasn’t mentally ill but he was definitely a piece of s***.

    you sound racist

  • Jul 7, 2020
    KEV

    on plus side of thing Kanye has laser focus work ethic, if you just see what the man has done over the years and what he plans to do, reports of him being sleep deprived and Kim saying he works too much

    you can see he cares and tries alot

    and he is actually self-made compared to other 2

    Whats the point of working so much it is unhealthy if what you're producing isnt even good, if he is even producing anything, how many times has Kanye promised things that ended up getting scrapped

    Quantity doesnt mean quality

  • Jul 7, 2020

    He's as qualified as Trump was in 2016.

  • Jul 7, 2020

    i dont really believe he would be a great president i just say he would be for the memes and to piss people off

  • Jul 7, 2020
    sc24

    I refuse to vote for someone who actually believes there’s someone in the sky listening to them pray