Social Democracy and social liberalism are 2 popular ideologies
They both pride in the state regulating markets and having a welfare state, but arrive at it in different directions

Social liberalism was devised like this:

1.Believing people should be free
2. Removing constraints to freedom
3. Realising that starvation, lack of education and poverty limit how truly free you are
4. Supporting state involvement to improve people ability to be free

Social democracy:
1. Workers should own the means of production
2.capitalism produces wealth and efficiency
3. Better to keep the market but use the state to redistribute the gains

Social Democratic ideals:
-Universal Healthcare
-Workers rights
-Civil Rights legislation
-Trade Union activity

Social Liberal ideals:
-Welfare states
-Drug decriminalisation
-Legalisation of s***work
-Immigration
-Universal basic income

Social liberalism sees state involvement as a way to achieve freedom, because in a free for all we won't be truly free, it emerged after 19th century liberalism helped cause growth but didn't ensure freedom for the poorest. Classical liberals reapproached their ideology and therefore developed New liberalism.

Social democracy originated among socialists who accepted the markets and capitalism as a necessary evil, but sought to use the welfare state to gain worker power.

Achievements of these ideologies:

• the British National Health Service
• the minimum wage
• the scandinavian/nordic model

In my opinion these are the 2 best ideologies ever as they have fused the massive benefits of capitalism with the means to ensure the poor arent f***ed- THE BEST OF BOTH WORLD

tl;dr: the perfect ideologies

so diet Socialism

Diet coke is better for you than full sugar...

socialism is flawed, social democracy takes the best of both systems

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Thanks for this thread @op

I know this ain’t the greatest but stats show that the best countries in the world utilise these systems so it’s fair for everyone high mobility class

Socdem >>> soclib

im inclined to agree but both are good

we still have a s***load of work to do

I dont believe socialist revolution will cure racism, sexism etc,

Depending on how this thread goes, i will add objections and how a soc lib/ soc dem would respond

anyone thinks that revolution would work is a moron

i am aussie so we sorta have some socdem polices (medicare and welfare system is strong) through they slowly defunding it over time

honestly best way to push workers rights is to unionise

how are they different? They seem to be relatively the same

they arrive at similar conclusions

soc dems started as disillusioned socialists, soc libs started as disillusioned classical liberals

"Workers rights" - not a stance

Civil Rights legislation - not a stance

Trade Union activity - not a stance

D*** decriminalisation - should he legal not just decriminalized

Legalisation of s***work - iffy

Immigration - not a stance

Universal basic income - terrible idea

Im saying this so u can elaborate

so there basically the same just different names?

social liberals tend to be less harsh on capitalism and a bit more laissez faire, and also a bit more socilly forward thinking due to the root in liberalism

yes they are stances use your brain lol, theyre pro all those things

but thank you, i will issue a rebuttal at some point

pro "workers rights" is not a stance lmao

please elaborate why u think ubi is terrible?

u dont deserve an income for just being alive.

studies show it increases security for financially insecure people and improves wellbeing

ok but im thinking in terms of consequence

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