so my sister just realized i’m a leftist and was asking me what socialism is and googling “communist/socialist nations” and getting countries like vietnam, dprk, china, cuba, laos, etc

I know china is state capitalist, and i know communism has never been achieved, but are any of the others socialist or just socialist-oriented?

also, can someone explain why everyone has started liking the dprk? seems like a anti-kim, but pro country sorta thing

Prolly just based on interest

reading capital rn let me catch up

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The ITS OVER pic comes from leftypol. It's called the poljak and is supposed to represent the average /pol/ school shooter. Once leftypol dropped that meme, polaks got super mad, tried to DDOS the site, posted CP and got into complete meltdown mode with every 2nd thread being about leftypol

You can find 4chan pol archives and Ctrl+F leftypol and you will get thousands of messages. It's funny they see leftypol as this giant leftist ghosting haunting them when in reality it's a stagnant or even decliing small forum in its 4th or 5th iteration. There are definitely more 4chan posts complaining about leftypol then there are leftypol posts themselves

the OG chudjak/poljak is based on the el paso shooter

at this point like any other wojak its mutated into an abomination

the "millions must die" meme gets me every time tho

they really have to learn how to get a different haircut and how to dress themselves

YOOOOOOOO did they make one of those memes from the el paso shooter? I SWTG he looks just like a f***ing wojak

I know china is state capitalist, and i know communism has never been achieved, but are any of the others socialist or just socialist-oriented?

AES (actually existing socialism) is term thrown around a lot - it has a lot of history and you will get different answers from different people.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism

Maoists are generally pretty hardline and will say there is no socialist state existing. Would argue that china is revisionist and state capitalist etc

Marxist-Leninists differ, some do some don't, majority opinion is China is not socialist. Dengists are hardline yes china is socialist.

Vietnam is a market oriented economy. China too. Laos. Most ML's agree that Cuba is the closest to socialism, but even Cuba has instituted market reforms to not drown underneath sanctions.

It is unwise to say "Oh, they implemented market reforms. They are capitalist." Even Mao implemented market reforms in the beginning.And we all agree that Maoist China was socialist. So you can't look at specific reforms, but rather the entire picture - what trajectory are they taking?

What is socialism? How does it differ from state capitalism? How is the state and socialism combined, used, not used? How do we know if a country is socialist or not?
goodreads.com/book/show/35222149-rethinking-socialism?

What did China look like before the revolution? What did chinese socialism look like? How does socialism ACTUALLY look? What events took place, how did they share tools, land, expropriate? What does chinese capitalism look like? What is their relationship with labor?
goodreads.com/book/show/52270471-from-victory-to-defeat
goodreads.com/book/show/92801.Fanshen

also, can someone explain why everyone has started liking the dprk? seems like a anti-kim, but pro country sorta thing

Just read the history of the DPRK and you will take the side of the DPRK. History will absolve all of them, they are so f***ing misrepresented in school, history and the media.

goodreads.com/book/show/36377600-patriots-traitors-and-empires

cuba is an import economy, the U.S. is one of their top trading partners, they haven't really become self-reliant at all, their commodity stockpile is going to s*** because they rely so much on imports and arguably the govt caters more to foreign tourists than their own locals, they don't produce a lot locally, and that's why they have a hard time getting good amounts of food, and they have to ration it so people move from rural to urban because you get more food

in cuba, people can't go homeless technically, but why is the housing falling apart, while massive luxury projects are being built for the tourists?

I'd recommend Antifada's recent podcast episode on this: fans.fm/p/1RWrrM0

How "AES" states have mainly functioned is primitive accumulation for new entry into the global capitalist system under a red flag, the law of value still reigns, as well as the brutal accumulation of capital under a national bourgeoise

under socialism (lower-stage communism), the value-form and commodities are already supposed to be abolished

@rami id recommend to read a lot of different perspectives, the Marxist-Leninists are not the only Marxists

this is why i was trying to read more

thanks, and thank you @sniper

theanarchistlibrary.org (various anarchist texts) <-- most relevant to what you would be looking for would most likely be stuff on anarcho-communism

redtexts.org (various left-communist texts)

marxists.org/archive/index.htm (largest archive of english-language marxist texts from various tendencies)

some marx/engels stuff is not on there due to copyright issues, they are quite easy to find online elsewhere

I stg frankito always goes on tangents that have nothing to do with what you are saying. He just gets lost in his own rhetoric.

thats why hes goated

reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/104lcgy/japan_minister_calls_for_new_world_order_to

play Bizarre Love Triangle for them

My French cousins basically lol.

We’re jewish and related through my aunt and uncle’s marriage. I hadn’t met them until this summer - we had lovely convos about French and American imperialism and by all measures they’re competent socialists, except for their egregious Israel-philia

thanks, just bookmarked those 3 and copied down the books from the other comment

The USSR basically kicked off the existence of Israel and a Communist Party member was the first signatory of the constitution

Anti-Zionism didn’t become a big position on the left until 1967, it wasn’t until Israel got closer with the West that the USSR changed their position and thus the Marxist-Leninist movement as a whole

The UK armed the Arabs fighting against the Israeli Haganah armed by the USSR during its founding

Weird to see now, but not new in the slightest, and is arguably historically consistent

In a literal sense, yes

the USSR recognized Israel as a country in the beginning w/ the belief (mainly from Stalin) if they supported it before the west, it would be a Soviet sphere of influence country. However this was mainly a Stalinist-specific belief, as all other Soviet ideological beliefs toward Zionism were overtly negative. Lenin's original conception of Zionism was overtly negative and straight up condemned, so it's not accurate at all to say "Anti-Zionism didn't become a big position on the left until 1967", unless you believe Lenin wasn't a major figure on the "left". Of course, Stalin flipped on Zionism himself once Israel became more EU & US friendly rather than Soviet/Eastern Bloc friendly. If you want to say the "left" under the USSR opportunistically supported Zionism for a small period of time, then that's true, but saying historically any formations of the left were pro-Zionism isn't correct. If you want to talk non-USSR blocs, then the PRC under Mao was neutral until the late 60s-70s when they switched into a more third worldist view of supporting Palestinians, which remained in place until Deng. If your conception of leftists supporting Zionism is because in the early 20th century states such as Cuba supported Jewish independence, there's an asterisk there as the belief in Jewish Independence was believed to be separate from the conception of Zionism; however, original "independence" was not largely seen as a form of oppression by exterior countries up until the Six Day War,which is caused most countries which had prior recognized Israel to dissolve relations. While Cuba technically did not dissolve relations under the Six Day War, they actively sent military assistance to opposition of Israel, including Egypt, so its not like they were supporting them in anything but name at that point.

is he the most most based ed person out there

i always wondered what the emotional climate around the great purge cause these revolutionary went through a s*** ton together like Bukharin and Stalin swapping rooms when Stalin wife killed herself there and asked Bukharin to swap to Stalin executing him