PFLP optimisticman

2y

Are you playing dumb for the sake of the argument or do you not know that the Soviet Union allied with Britain to export capital under a monopoly?

PFLP optimisticman

2y

I know supposed "marxists" it's hard to admit Stalin was wrong. But the truth will reach you some day

PFLP optimisticman

2y

I know supposed "marxists" it's hard to admit Stalin was wrong. But the truth will reach you some day

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2y

The Soviet Union didn’t have a meaningful bourgeois or capitalist class to even profit from oil monopoly rents
What are you on about?

You can be critical of the invasion no one is stopping you. But calling it imperialist is dishonest given the context

Especially when there was a huge risk of Nazis marching on the Caucas Oil Fields

Yes the British and USSR used the oil for their war effort. This was total war

Don’t quote Lenin, you’re either an ultra who is upset the USSR doesn’t fulfill your perfect socialist country fantasy or think war works exactly like a 4x strategy game

X country invading Y country alone isn’t imperialism

PFLP optimisticman

2y

Brother if you are rejecting Lenin then you have obviously lost this debate

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2y

The Soviet Union didn’t have a meaningful bourgeois or capitalist class to even profit from oil monopoly rents
What are you on about?

You can be critical of the invasion no one is stopping you. But calling it imperialist is dishonest given the context

Especially when there was a huge risk of Nazis marching on the Caucas Oil Fields

Yes the British and USSR used the oil for their war effort. This was total war

Don’t quote Lenin, you’re either an ultra who is upset the USSR doesn’t fulfill your perfect socialist country fantasy or think war works exactly like a 4x strategy game

X country invading Y country alone isn’t imperialism

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2y

The fact that liberal ass Reddit even banned you for that s*** take should’ve been a wake up call

Yet you come here to complain like it would be any different?

Get a grip and stop being idealist

PFLP optimisticman

2y

I know supposed "marxists" it's hard to admit Stalin was wrong. But the truth will reach you some day

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2y

No one is “rejecting” Lenin you are applying dogmatically Marxist text to a situation during Total War that doesn’t even make sense

If you want to be an ultra go ahead, no one is stopping you

PFLP optimisticman

2y

You don't seem to listen to the actual arguments I've laid out. The Soviet Union invading Iran didn't happen in a vacuum. It was done for the benefit of the Soviets for trade and the Capitalist British. This is the export of capital by empire. So either reject that or shut up

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2y

So now the Soviet Union isn’t exporting it for profit but for trade?

I don’t care about what capitalist UK did nor is it relevant to what we are talking about

Surprise! Yes Iranian Oil was probably used by the Allies for their war effort

Now tell me where the Soviets were using oil profits to enrich the Soviet bourgeois class

PFLP optimisticman

2y

You don't know what an ultra is. I'm a maoist btw

snowboyrari

2y

a "maoist" whining about wwii and saying "stalin was wrong"? more like you eat from an ideology slop.

PFLP optimisticman

2y

You don't know what an ultra is. I'm a maoist btw

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2y

Then you are making maoists look bad.

If you actually going tooth and nail for what a socialist country did while it was facing annihilation by an enemy who sought to colonize them then you aren’t a serious socialist and just sit at home idolizing what a perfect socialist country could do

Touch grass and go outside, you would be laughed out of any serious Marxist org for that take

PFLP optimisticman

2y

You don't know what an ultra is. I'm a maoist btw

PFLP optimisticman

2y

I am in a party. But I bet you aren't

PFLP optimisticman

2y

Huh?

PFLP optimisticman

2y

All this just so you guys don't have to admit Stalin did something wrong. You're not Marxists your campists

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2y

And what “maoist” that I’ve seen go so hard on what a socialist country did during war of all times?

That’s why I called you an ultra. You sound more like a trot than any Maoist I’ve read or seen

snowboyrari

2y

what exactly do you think maoism is? its a defense of stalin and the anti-revisionist period against kruschetevian revision. its not whatever youre doing.