Choking

2y

People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class

little nitpick but slaving owner =\= settler, jefferson yeoman who raided an indian village then stole some land cultivated it themselves or just bought land that were stolen are settlers

but yeah i get your point in my own experience i dont know many canadians canadian (like from settler families) most of the white people in know came from immigrant families (polish,italian)

p apollo

2y

Bear post is an incredibly important piece

krishna bound

2y

Depends what type of gay son
There’s a lot of types of gay sons but only one type of thot daughter

snowboyrari

2y

ngl, yall weird for continuing to kiki with that moron

ManU Minute

2y

Right wing Westerners are free speech absolutists, but when it comes to putting kids in cages all of a sudden “well there are some nuances to the situation”

Plight

2y

People like him more than you

snowboyrari

2y

ktt being full of losers isnt news to me

Choking

2y

People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class

little nitpick but slaving owner =\= settler, jefferson yeoman who raided an indian village then stole some land cultivated it themselves or just bought land that were stolen are settlers

but yeah i get your point in my own experience i dont know many canadians canadian (like from settler families) most of the white people in know came from immigrant families (polish,italian)

Plight

2y

This is not true. Edm happy hats are vastly different from BMW w****s.

krishna bound

2y

I don’t think Marxism needs to be stretched. I also don’t think people need to just “forgive” each other or similar. You’re a Maoist so you can understand innately that contradictions can exist outside of capitalism - this obviously leans in that direction.
I don’t expect anyone to just “forgive and forget” historical atrocities but also acting as if in many cases settlers’ ancestors are not also victims of the capitalist system shows heavy bias towards superstructural cultural elements. People may argue that settlers represent a sort of historical PMC but realistically especially in modern western counties most people are not descendants of a slave owning exploitation class. They may have enabled additional people to get here who then benefited but the US (and many other counties) are not South Africa where the Boers are just holistically of a specific background.
The thinking on modern settler colonialism acts as if contradictions can’t exist such as white settlers being responsible for exploitation but the white descendants then being victims of their ancestors’ promotion of said economic system. It leads to the same thinking as all Jews = pro-Israel therefore to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict, all Jews are culpable. It harkens back to concepts of original sin and atonement through recognition of contradiction. On the contrary, I don’t think this means “well white people are just guilt-free”. However focusing on the racial fault lines as the sole basis for radical action is weird when the racial fault lines are meant to fit within a wider dialectic. It’s not a replacement for economic consideration or post-economic struggle

fun guy

2y

@Snowboy actually believes that a Communist future is possible and seems to have extensive experience organizing irl (like @PhilipMorris) so its kinda lame to insinuate that shes like a pseudo-Marxist/doesn't believe in materialism or something

fun guy

2y

in the South (specifically Louisiana) theres a ton of white people who are the descendants of wealthy slave-owners and theres even some last names which are notorious for being slave-owners lol. this is totally anecdotal so cant say how accurate it is since I don't live there

also theres lots of plantation tours that are still owned by the descendants of the slave owners

afterimage

2y

this is how countries felt choosing between Soviet Union and China during sino-Soviet split

snowboyrari

2y

hope those crackers pick you, dork

krishna bound

2y

Of course there are, I don’t think I’m denying that or saying that doesn’t exist? It can be true simultaneously that post-colonial slaveholders still control significant wealth due to exploitation and are of course white but also there’s a lot of whites in the country whose ancestors came as migrants and suffered from the same societal mechanisms built by chattel slavers and colonial settlers? The vast majority of Americans now had family which came from late 1800s or early-mid 1900s migrants.

fun guy

2y

there’s a lot of whites in the country whose ancestors came as migrants

ik, i wasnt arguing against you on this point. it was just pretty wild to see how many white people are the descendants of slave owners and materially benefit from it

and many white settlers who came after the civil war still benefitted from the subjugation and looting of Black people, no?

fun guy

2y

there’s a lot of whites in the country whose ancestors came as migrants

ik, i wasnt arguing against you on this point. it was just pretty wild to see how many white people are the descendants of slave owners and materially benefit from it

and many white settlers who came after the civil war still benefitted from the subjugation and looting of Black people, no?

fun guy

2y

essential reading, he had such a wild life

fun guy

2y

essential reading, he had such a wild life