Do any of you guys have experience organizing a student org?

I mostly agree with what this person has said BUT I wish they didn’t say it through that try-hard edgy leftypol veneer

There is nothing edgy about this post wtf

Marx and Engels specifically say that the enlightenment values cannot be fulfilled under liberalism, only under communism. They say if you want to take the tenets of the enlightenment seriously you have to advocate for communism.

The entire mode of the communist project is that you turn to collectivism to free the individual and ultimately have more individualism that would be ever possible under capitalism.

He right abt the weirdo way of speaking on leftypol tho

Crine u mad as shyt lock thread ban OP how about you speak about some p**** The Game shares his thoughts aint no pizza get out that weed walk corny

This how the cool kids talk 💯

Mf literally said "Cockshottfags"

Yeah im in the cock gang who u know

Marxist philosophy gang

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I thought most Marxists wouldn't f*** with Mark Fisher considering he was critical of state socialism in the same vein that he was with neoliberalism. He basically critiqued most of the contemporary left from a critical theorist perspective

Reading more history has made me less of an anarchist. Seeking perspectives from well-read anarchists/lib socs.

First of all, let me say that I still consider anarchists to be comrades, this isn't a post about "anarkiddies" or some other s*** like that. I still love my anarchist comrades and am very sympathetic to their flagship revolutions/figures.

What has led me to become less of an anarchist and more sympathetic to Marxist-Leninists in particular is reading the history of communist revolution. Some conclusions I've come to:

Revolutions are inherently about one class imposing its will on another.

This necessitates hierarchy of some kind, as well as political repression. In the same way that allowing fascist speech is dangerous, so is allowing bourgeois and reactionary speech. Effective revolutionaries must be willing to commit to repressing both.

Leninist states aren't as bad as they are made about to be, particularly in the West.

As an American, I was subject to an extreme amount of propaganda about the USSR and Maoist China, and had no idea of their actual level of achievement for the working class. These governments did plenty of bad stuff that should never be underplayed, but this is also true of any successful leftist revolution.

Despite these evils, by far the greatest achievements for the working class have been the result of ML movements. That result should speak for itself.

I care about more about abolishing the market than I do abolishing hierarchy.

Obviously doesn't apply to all anarchists, and I don't embrace hierarchy. But the way some anarchists embrace market economy is to me a sign that they have not truly grasped the evil of market commodification or class conflict.

I would rather live in a centralized command economy that guarantees me housing than a market "anarchist" one that may leave me homeless. I've never met an ML that didn't understand this.

"Siege" socialism is made necessary by imperialism.

Look at the way Sankara, Bishop, Che, Lumumba, and Allende were taken out by imperialist and reactionary forces, and how they tried with figures like Castro. Like with bourgeois speech, some degree of political repression and hierarchy is unfortunately necessary to survive domestic reactionaries aided by CIA spooks.

Where would Burkina Faso be today if Sankara's administration had killed his usurper Blaise Compare? Where would Chile be today if Pinochet spent the 70s and 80s in a gulag? Where would Grenada be today if the New Jewel Movement stayed in power and Reagan never got the chance to invade? What would Cuba look like today if Castro was assassinated and Batista took power back?

In these cases, more severe political repression would have absolutely been justified with the benefit of hindsight.

Vanguard parties aren't necessarily out of touch or ineffective.

The popularity of the Black Panthers transcends political ideology - they have been lauded by MLs, anarchists, democratic socialists, and even some liberals as an awesome manifestation of black liberation, and rightly so.

The problem is that the Panthers were MLs and explicitly organized as such, democratic centralism and all. Could an anarchist group that rejected Leninist organizational principles have achieved what the Panthers did?

With hindsight, it isn't clear to me that the answer is yes. What the Panthers achieved took a unity of action that I haven't seen domestic anarchists in the U.S. prove themselves capable of, but am happy to learn of a counter-example.

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I would answer that right now but I’m too tired.

I’ve already explained this like a bunch of times already though, i’m pretty sure.

I’m gonna be honest, even if I do answer this and elaborate on everything, it’ll just be a back and forth of that and everyone ITT calling me an “idealist” or a CIA shill that gets NEETbux from Langley. Like I really don’t f***ing care anymore about arguing the same points over and over again, we could just agree to disagree at this point.

Cubans Don’t Want Regime Change

“I was out protesting on July 11,” a young mother in Old Havana told me. “But since then, I’ve been weighing the pros and cons. The food situation here is terrible — we have to stand in lines for everything. On the other hand, we are safe. People don’t have guns and go around killing each other; the police don’t shoot people; we don’t have to worry about our children when they are outside playing, and they get a good education for free. If this government really collapsed, I’m afraid we might lose more than we gain.”

jacobinmag.com/2021/11/cuba-us-protests-reform-revolution-diaz-canel

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No one even said anything to you yet :elon:

s*** man, y'all already said enough when i tried to get people to at least engage with my ideas so why even bother trying

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