@sniper why did u delete the thread?

Also so far into it just seems to be a history lesson on weird individuals who were fascist that happened to be inspired by Marxist in some way or used to be broadly left. Like yeah there was some weird fascist that prob supported the SU over the USA but does that mean SU was fascist or something ? It doesnt really go into what fascim is or how it ever worked with the reds, its more of haha look at these weirdos who have some type of link with the reds

the best part of what I read so far was

During Thiriart’s retirement, one of his followers, Renato Curcio, would go on to found the Red Brigades radical leftist organization which was active in the 70s and 80s in Italy. Another disciple of Thiriart, Claudio Mutti, would form the Italian-Libyan Friendship Organization after Muammar Gaddafi took power in Libya and later took part in organizing a “Nazi-Maoism” movement with the help of pro-China student groups, forming the Lotta Di Popolo organization, and would later meet Aleksandr Dugin in the 90s before arranging for Thiriart to visit Russia. Some Italian militants influenced by Thiriart would even adopt Hitler, Mao, Gaddafi and Juan Perón as heroes, and had slogans supporting a “fascist dictatorship of the proletariat” and praised both Hitler and Mao together.]

"Nazi-Maoism" and “fascist dictatorship of the proletariat” had me chuckle irl. But that also the problem with the article yeah so what theres this dumbass that believe this, theres also dumbass that believe in anarcho-fascism and s***. Like in any good DOTP these people would get sent to the gulags.

Like is the point of the article to link the reds and brown and say they arent so different after all? Cause its doing a horrible job in that. Like even Mao had a better conception of linking reds and browns together whenever he was pissed of at the SU and called them social fascist, guess the reds really do everything better lol.

At end of the day its a hyper focused article on individuality that doesn't provide any type of a***ysation.

It’s the same thing as trying to say anarchism is bad because of ancaps. Lacks nuance

do you have the article link? I saw it at work but was gonna read later.

libcom.org/library/investigation-red-brown-alliances-third-positionism-russia-ukraine-syria-western-left

Thank you

like when ever the author tries to add anything of his own it ends up terrible take this for example

In 1919 they submitted to Karl Radek their policy of having the working class ally with the bourgeoisie into a nationalist dictatorship of the proletariat which would fight a national liberation war (a position which would strangely be adopted by various Marxist-Leninist and Maoist groups in the late 20th century) against the Entente powers occupying Germany following WWI.

Like do they really think the nationalism of victims of imperialism are the same as imperialist, even then theres better critiques of national liberations then hurr durr nationalism is bad, like Fanon critquing the over reliance on the national bourgeois and how this nationalism that once freed them is being used to oppress them.

Like so far I can't comprehend that anyone would think this article is good outside of learning about fringe fascist individuals.

The ITP would itself undergo multiple splits, with Griffin leaving in 1990 and later joining the British National Party (BNP), and later succeeding John Tyndall at the party’s head before being expelled from it in 2014 and founding his own party, the British Unity. Another member, Troy Southgate, left in 1992 to later form in 1998 the “National-Anarchist” National Revolutionary Faction, which again true to Third Positionist habits appropriates left-wing imagery and aesthetics for a reactionary, fascist ideology. “National-Anarchism” cannot be considered a legitimate form of Anarchism since only did it not develop out of any existing Anarchist thought, but Anarchists themselves have been at the forefront of opposition to fascism for many decades.

What a cop out lmao, like communist havent either, the article even mentioned the KPD fighting fascists in the streets earlier, and none of these fascist have been Marxist and the closest one was Sorel who was a huge revisionist. This article is brain worms, is this really anarchist "theory"

It’s not anarchist theory lol

But please read the whole thing

Anyways, aggressive Chinese expansionism in the name of empire is totally justified because America does it.

Cultural Marxism is the reason why you don't have a girlfriend

Expansionism in Tibet, Xinjiang, and Taiwan? :elon:

No but u dont understand bro the smaller the country the bigger the FREEDOM

Ok it finally gets into more originations of these red-brown alliances, and holy s*** is it slightly better than the starting yes but still overall dog s***.

I think its telling the moment there was some weird fascist anarchist alliance the author, immediately dismisses it as not true anarchism, but still tries to force this link that reds are secret fascists, or like to work with fascists.

The best part of the article was talking about Campism and how the WPP and PSL are campsit which I do agree, especially with the example the article uses with the PSL

Even more ridiculous incidents followed the outbreak of protests in Iran in late December 2017, where Iranian Communists and Anarchists advocated for supporting the protests while the PSL issued a statement delegitimizing them, and Twitter users primarily affiliated to the PSL could be seen characterizing the protests as “regime change operations” archive, “color revolutions” archive and other similar ludicrous conspiracy theories archive one could find within various archive conspiracist archive, far-right archive and archive neo-fascist archive media outlets.

But I also get the feeling that the article is trying to push that side with Iran or Russia for example in any scenario is campsite, which is the most absolute brain dead take you can have. In the context of the USA imposing sanctions on Iran, of course we'll side with Iran in here, but those anti government protest which are advocated by communists should be supported as well. The support for the Iran, same with Russia and Syria is only contextually which this whole thread I know agrees with, so what was that weird dig you had telling us to "self-critique".

Then theres this section

The Comité Valmy is a group which promotes both French nationalism and Marxism archive, with an emphasis on the nationalism archive, and the opening sentence of its manifesto archive is “Since the collapse of the USSR, we live in a unipolar world under the hegemony of only one super power, the United States of America”, suggests a Duginist influence.

Ok yes the Comité Valmy is moronic group I agree but suggest that theres a Duginist influence that cause they say theres only one super power after the collapse of the USSR, like you don't have to be Duginist to recognise that, like you can come to that conclusion on your own, its an objective fact after the USSR fell, who was there that can contest the USA?

Then they come to the conclusion that Syria is fascist due to association ? Not through concrete a***ysation of their programme and actions, like is MSN now socialist cause they had Cornell West on there show a couple of times?

Then again maybe they did and I missed it due to how terrible this article was written, like why the f*** do I need to know about George Sorel, if this whole article was about campism, it read like a CIA psyop that was trying to give me so much useless information when they finally got to what they were talking about that I would take it in uncritically, but its worse than that it was made by some pseudo intellectual who actually thought he was making something of substance. Like they sourced their work good on em for that, but the one time I actually checked out their source for a claim it had absolutely nothing to do with what they were claiming.

Like yeah theres dumb f*** communist out there that fall into campism, I didnt need this article to tell me that. The only self critique I have is not listening to Arcade Goon and blocking you so I could have saved myself from wasting all that time.

Yo I apologise for being so smug, dismissive and arrogant wirh all of you

No, I don't entirely agree with most of the people in this thread anymore, however I recognise my hypocrisy in having this attitude

Life is complicated, its all about what benefits humanity.

I'd say right now I am a market socialist but in practice a soc dem. Not perfect, and as an ideology it is absolutely preferred by Western highly educated people, I'm self aware. However I was the one who failed to be open minded

I will still maintain my criticism of command economies, authoritarianism etc

How do you feel about China’s current implementation of the building of productive forces under the ultimate oversight of the government ? That’s probably as “market socialism” as a socialist state can get while being surrounded by capitalist aggression

glad you have the security to do actual self interrogation - there's a lot of people who will stubbornly hold on to dogshit ideology for exactly zero reason.

read State and Revolution and Blackshirts and Reds

keep moving left brother

I'm assuming he means market socialism in the way Yugoslavia had it, at least that's how most self-proclaimed market socialists mean it.

Yeah I’d still like to hear

#IStandWIthLuka

Mate u trolling?

Trolling about what lol?

books you have been reading recently?