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  • Jan 7, 2022
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    “It’s not authority, it’s power!”

    Someone post that one king of the hill meme

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    space0cadet

    “It’s not authority, it’s power!”

    Someone post that one king of the hill meme

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    Authoritarian is when bad

    Anti-authoritarian is when good

  • Jan 7, 2022
    space0cadet

    “It’s not authority, it’s power!”

    Someone post that one king of the hill meme

    It’s about drive it’s about power we stay hungry we devour put in the work, put in the hours and take, what’s ours

  • Jan 7, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Authoritarian is when bad

    Anti-authoritarian is when good

    centralize bad
    de-centralize good

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    Womanpuncher69

    centralize bad
    de-centralize good

    Small good
    Big bad

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I actually had this happen to me in real life which is the funny thing

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    Scratchin Mamba

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    "Commandism is wrong in any type of work, because in overstepping the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of voluntary mass action it reflects the disease of impetuosity. Our comrades must not assume that everything they themselves understand is understood by the masses. Whether the masses understand it and are ready to take action can be discovered only by going into their midst and making investigations. If we do so, we can avoid commandism. -On Coalition Government" (April 24, 1945), Mao Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 316."

    "The mass line is not commandism. The mass-line is necessary because revolutionaries hold a different set of ideas from the masses about how the world operates and how it should operate; we are revolutionaries, the masses are not. An organizer must be conscious of this difference. If, for instance, we were to insist that the masses become revolutionaries in order to work with us, we will very quickly find ourselves isolated. Commandism is the practice of standing ahead of the masses politically and effectively commanding them to “catch-up”. It is a self-isolating practice, but one that is practiced by much of the “left” in Canada. While the mass-line involves raising the political level of the masses, this is done through struggle, not through condescension, sloganeering, or demanding the masses politicize."

    quick google came across some quotes that might help

    and the obvious argument against third worldism is that while yea labor aristocracy produces lumpen that actively support the oppression of the third world, resignation to third worldism is akin to joining hands with the lumpen. All you can do in this case in the first world as a socialist, even if you do believe in third worldism, is to spread class consciousness to help create more material possibilities for revolutionary potential in the third world.

  • Jan 8, 2022
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    deadacc

    "Commandism is wrong in any type of work, because in overstepping the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of voluntary mass action it reflects the disease of impetuosity. Our comrades must not assume that everything they themselves understand is understood by the masses. Whether the masses understand it and are ready to take action can be discovered only by going into their midst and making investigations. If we do so, we can avoid commandism. -On Coalition Government" (April 24, 1945), Mao Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 316."

    "The mass line is not commandism. The mass-line is necessary because revolutionaries hold a different set of ideas from the masses about how the world operates and how it should operate; we are revolutionaries, the masses are not. An organizer must be conscious of this difference. If, for instance, we were to insist that the masses become revolutionaries in order to work with us, we will very quickly find ourselves isolated. Commandism is the practice of standing ahead of the masses politically and effectively commanding them to “catch-up”. It is a self-isolating practice, but one that is practiced by much of the “left” in Canada. While the mass-line involves raising the political level of the masses, this is done through struggle, not through condescension, sloganeering, or demanding the masses politicize."

    quick google came across some quotes that might help

    and the obvious argument against third worldism is that while yea labor aristocracy produces lumpen that actively support the oppression of the third world, resignation to third worldism is akin to joining hands with the lumpen. All you can do in this case in the first world as a socialist, even if you do believe in third worldism, is to spread class consciousness to help create more material possibilities for revolutionary potential in the third world.

    thx even the book im reading with him rn and I just reread over rn

    "The basic line of the Party expresses the general principle that it is necessary to distinguish clearly the two types of contradictions—those between ourselves and the enemy and those among the people — and to handle them correctly. This principle constitutes the foundation and the rule which the Party employs to determine its concrete policy; it also provides the general orientation which guides the correct application of this policy. If we confuse these two types of contradictions we will make serious mistakes in our work. If we take what is in fact a contradiction between ourselves and the enemy for a contradiction in the ranks of the people, that is, if we Confound enemy and friend and do not distinguish between them, we will Commit rightist errors. if, on the other hand, we take what in fact is a contradiction in the ranks of the people, for a contradiction between the enemy and ourselves, if we aim our blows against too many people, we will commit "leftist" errors. In both cases the result will be to depart from the basic line of the Party."

    GOd why is it so difficult to not be an idiot, most of his theory now a days is from these internet blogs sigh.

    Also tried that argument it works for the moment but next meet up he'll be back no his bs

  • Jan 8, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    thx even the book im reading with him rn and I just reread over rn

    "The basic line of the Party expresses the general principle that it is necessary to distinguish clearly the two types of contradictions—those between ourselves and the enemy and those among the people — and to handle them correctly. This principle constitutes the foundation and the rule which the Party employs to determine its concrete policy; it also provides the general orientation which guides the correct application of this policy. If we confuse these two types of contradictions we will make serious mistakes in our work. If we take what is in fact a contradiction between ourselves and the enemy for a contradiction in the ranks of the people, that is, if we Confound enemy and friend and do not distinguish between them, we will Commit rightist errors. if, on the other hand, we take what in fact is a contradiction in the ranks of the people, for a contradiction between the enemy and ourselves, if we aim our blows against too many people, we will commit "leftist" errors. In both cases the result will be to depart from the basic line of the Party."

    GOd why is it so difficult to not be an idiot, most of his theory now a days is from these internet blogs sigh.

    Also tried that argument it works for the moment but next meet up he'll be back no his bs

    i think there's a interesting element of theory in the modern age which is that we have access to more theory than any other revolutionaries in history, but also with the complete and absolutely uncurated mass of information on the internet revisionism is more rampant than ever too.

  • Jan 8, 2022

    Is a planned economy different from a command economy?

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    What is commandism?

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    @americana
    the opposite of tailism; the party being ahead of the masses

    Eg shining path telling peasants deng is a dog who betrayed the Chinese rev even tho the peasants have no f***ing clue nor care

    eg instructing the masses to throw rocks into windows even though they are not ready

    Tailism is being behind the masses; for example the party not being able to utilize the massive uprising of the BLM protests for their advantage because they are not organized enough

    or, instructing the masses to not throw rocks through windows even though they are doing so in front of your eyes

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    americana

    What is commandism?

    if this is also connected to ur previous post commandism isn't anything to do with economy.

    Kai post has a quote from Mao on what commandism is. Its essentially telling the masses what to do rather than working with them. Its being ahead of the masses and telling them to catch up with you, often time in practice end up forcing the masses to do actions they dont want to. Comparison to tailism which is being too behind the masses.

    The correct orientation is solved by doing mass line finding what the masses what which tends to be disorganised and concentrating those demands into a systemised program that can raise the masses up.

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    @americana
    the opposite of tailism; the party being ahead of the masses

    Eg shining path telling peasants deng is a dog who betrayed the Chinese rev even tho the peasants have no f***ing clue nor care

    eg instructing the masses to throw rocks into windows even though they are not ready

    Tailism is being behind the masses; for example the party not being able to utilize the massive uprising of the BLM protests for their advantage because they are not organized enough

    or, instructing the masses to not throw rocks through windows even though they are doing so in front of your eyes

    I f*** with the PCP but holy s*** the dog s*** was overkill like I legit dont see the purpose

    also u got a source that they forced peasants to do it I always thought it was just cadres they had that did it

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    deadacc

    i think there's a interesting element of theory in the modern age which is that we have access to more theory than any other revolutionaries in history, but also with the complete and absolutely uncurated mass of information on the internet revisionism is more rampant than ever too.

    the more I think about the internet, the more it seems to become an actualisation of the monkey paw

  • Jan 8, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    if this is also connected to ur previous post commandism isn't anything to do with economy.

    Kai post has a quote from Mao on what commandism is. Its essentially telling the masses what to do rather than working with them. Its being ahead of the masses and telling them to catch up with you, often time in practice end up forcing the masses to do actions they dont want to. Comparison to tailism which is being too behind the masses.

    The correct orientation is solved by doing mass line finding what the masses what which tends to be disorganised and concentrating those demands into a systemised program that can raise the masses up.

    Mmmm that makes sense. So the vanguard becomes less of an arbiter regarding the path of a revolution and more an organizing and structuring force that the mass can wield through mutual consciousness, understanding, and education?

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    americana

    Mmmm that makes sense. So the vanguard becomes less of an arbiter regarding the path of a revolution and more an organizing and structuring force that the mass can wield through mutual consciousness, understanding, and education?

    I dont know if u trying to insult me with those big words but yeaht

    also their is gonna be contradictions between the vanguard and the masses and the mass line helps minimise them. Also why Mao era China would implement their polices through mass movements like the anti rightist campaign or collectivisation. The CPC would go through the country examine what the most advanced masses did and then try to implement what they were doing like co-ops on a nation wide scale.

  • Jan 8, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    I dont know if u trying to insult me with those big words but yeaht

    also their is gonna be contradictions between the vanguard and the masses and the mass line helps minimise them. Also why Mao era China would implement their polices through mass movements like the anti rightist campaign or collectivisation. The CPC would go through the country examine what the most advanced masses did and then try to implement what they were doing like co-ops on a nation wide scale.

    That makes a lot of sense

  • Jan 8, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    I dont know if u trying to insult me with those big words but yeaht

    also their is gonna be contradictions between the vanguard and the masses and the mass line helps minimise them. Also why Mao era China would implement their polices through mass movements like the anti rightist campaign or collectivisation. The CPC would go through the country examine what the most advanced masses did and then try to implement what they were doing like co-ops on a nation wide scale.

  • deadacc

    https://ktt2.com/lets-predict-something-in-the-future-whoever-gets-right-is-gifted-32508407/3

    there was a frankito bestowed crossover and i missed it

    Homie always talks about resurrection little does he know Jesus is the side kick during the second coming.