not sure the other parties want anything to do with them

f*** em , they can make a government without fine gael and fianna fail

if they're smart they'll force a 2nd election

lost to Fianna Fail by 1 seat

e: they can still form a government though if they convince 12 independents to join it

Is socialism inherently green?

it’s inherently reliant on anti-materialism and lack of excess that can definitely be interpreted as pro-Green

True but sometimes I get on my Soviet s*** and be like f*** the environment the workers need food

its inherently more green than capitalism, which is entirely predicated on infinite growth, which cannot be sustained by our environment

Not necessarily, but unlike capitalism ignoring the environment in pursuit of profit is not inherent to socialism.

There's a possibility of going green under socialism that doesn't exist with capitalism.

exactly, socialism creates the potential for a real environmental movement that simply can't exist under capitalism

Why is it that the people who advocate for socialism in America point out our wealth but choose to ignore the fact that capitalism generated it?

It seems like you guys want your cake and eat it too.

workers generate wealth.

yes i would very much like to people to be able to eat the cake that they produce

i want people to understand that wealth doesnt magically fall out of the sky

You guys and semantics.

Labor has a role but it’s reductive to think it’s solely labor that creates wealth.

But then they wouldn’t have the cake.. or do you not know what that saying means?

if anyone is interested in a good socialist flick here's the Korean magnum opus, The Flower Girl, about the anti-japanese resistance movement. with a screenplay written by none other than comrade Kim Il-Sung himself

Labor and nature are the sole sources of material wealth, would love to see you try to come up with some other ways in which wealth can be created.

I guess you're right. nature can generate some wealth too.

Again, you’re being reductive. The creation of wealth in a capitalist society is more complicated than that.

It’s unsettling to see the same people who want to get rid of capitalism, reduce it to a few parts for the sake of argument.

reply to me when you have a counterargument instead of trying to beat me over the head with those cliches (and failing)

What’s cliche? Telling you your argument is reductive?

Wealth is created in a capitalistic society when production/consumption goes through a system of valuation with private ownership being its nucleus.

"a system of valuation" like an assembly line, sure.

R e t a r d

again it seems like you can't even communicate your ideas properly. I don't know what you're thinking so we can't even have a proper discussion. leave.