Apr 20, 2022·1 reply
americanaThere won’t be revolution in the United States until it loses its position of imperialist hegemony
Simply too many people are plugged into the bourgeois framework built by the state as a result of it being the imperial core
A collapse of the system will result in a retraction of financial basis of American economics and allow for more traditional labor dynamics to return
My take
also this.
im not necessarily an accelerationist but mayb a little acceleration in the US as a treat.
- Apr 20, 2022·1 replydeadacc
also this.
im not necessarily an accelerationist but mayb a little acceleration in the US as a treat.
I don’t think accelerationism is the term
Lenin himself said that we should push for capitalism to make its contradictions grow more and more apparent until they create conditions perfect for organization and revolution
Apr 20, 2022·1 replydeadaccas of right now there is no revolutionary potential as there is no alliances that can overpower the bourgeois allied groups.
my personal theory is that you would need an alliance along oppressed minority groups in the united states allying along lines of contradictions that capitalism will not be able to manifest itself in ways to resolve. these people are predisposed to class consciousness through education of their material conditions. pretty much taking on the idea of "the weakest link" in the chain of imperialism but domestically instead of internationally.
obviously the proles have material interests in opposition to the bourgeois but w all the criss crossing of what dictates proles as a class as mentioned throughout the thread makes the dictation highly granular and unspecified. i think the vertical reach of reaching out to allies being oppressed intersectionally will be the best way to create an allied block domestically while minimizing alliances w largely counterrevolutionary groups. obviously in tandem with agitation among the proles.
prob revisionist in some aspect but until mass class consciousness can be achieved this is the best bet imo
are you indirectly saying the US needs a race war
- Apr 20, 2022krishna bound
are you indirectly saying the US needs a race war
not just ethnic minorities, all oppressed minorities including oppressed whites under capitalism.
it would probably be manipulated into one though you're not wrong
- Apr 20, 2022·1 replyamericana
I don’t think accelerationism is the term
Lenin himself said that we should push for capitalism to make its contradictions grow more and more apparent until they create conditions perfect for organization and revolution
"Right-wing extremists such as Neo-fascists, Neo-Nazis, White nationalists, and White supremacists have been known to refer to an "acceleration" of racial conflict through violent means such as assassinations, murders, terrorist attacks, and societal collapse, in order to achieve the building of a White ethnostate.911"
right wing accelerationism is a thing lmfao
how tf does that even work 
Apr 20, 2022Im copping the dip on Netflix stocks but doing it socialistically like Marx
I'm learning the ways of the enemy 👁- Apr 20, 2022·2 repliesdeadacc
"Right-wing extremists such as Neo-fascists, Neo-Nazis, White nationalists, and White supremacists have been known to refer to an "acceleration" of racial conflict through violent means such as assassinations, murders, terrorist attacks, and societal collapse, in order to achieve the building of a White ethnostate.911"
right wing accelerationism is a thing lmfao
how tf does that even workthats definitely not what rw accelerationism is, rw accelerationism is based on stuff from writers like Nick Land, which is all based on rw interpretations of traditionally left-associated post-modern writers like Deleuze
- Apr 20, 2022·1 replykrishna bound
thats definitely not what rw accelerationism is, rw accelerationism is based on stuff from writers like Nick Land, which is all based on rw interpretations of traditionally left-associated post-modern writers like Deleuze
"During his time at Warwick, Land participated in Virtual Futures, a series of cyber-culture conferences. Virtual Futures 96 was advertised as “an anti-disciplinary event” and “a conference in the post-humanities”. One session involved Nick Land “lying on the ground, croaking into a mic”, recalls Robin Mackay, while Mackay played jungle records in the background.""
This Nick Land guy doesn't sound too bad
- Apr 20, 2022krishna bound
thats definitely not what rw accelerationism is, rw accelerationism is based on stuff from writers like Nick Land, which is all based on rw interpretations of traditionally left-associated post-modern writers like Deleuze
its a bit right
he's an accelerationist so he's pushing right wing crackpot s*** to its extreme right ?
- Apr 20, 2022deadacc
"During his time at Warwick, Land participated in Virtual Futures, a series of cyber-culture conferences. Virtual Futures 96 was advertised as “an anti-disciplinary event” and “a conference in the post-humanities”. One session involved Nick Land “lying on the ground, croaking into a mic”, recalls Robin Mackay, while Mackay played jungle records in the background.""
This Nick Land guy doesn't sound too bad
Nick Land, Mark Fisher, Sadie Plant, etc. all know/knew each other, they're from the same intellectual circle and philosophy background (CCRU). Nick Land started as an accelerationist with marxist sympathies but then did a ton of meth and became a boomer conservative (not a joke). Modern rw accelerationists build off of the theory he devised during that time originally. Personally I've always been in the category of thinking that Land is a crackpot w/o much to say meaningfully beyond meth-addled writing, but there's a lot of people who have at least attempted to build political theory. Accelerationism is to that type of right wing sphere in a comparable sense as to Frankfurt School philosophy is the left; even more of an apt comparison since accelerationists all took otherwise left-identified post-modern thought and applied it to modern rw thinking - that identifiable "conservatism" of blending seemingly contrary aspects of civic libertarianism with cultural conservative. Most places like wikipedia don't do a good or accurate job of explaining what accelerationism is.
NeonNigga23 ♻️Apr 21, 2022·3 repliesIk this isn’t the communism thread but I have a question I figured someone itt could answer
as far as I’m aware, the idea of capitalism is built on value in the sense that something only has value is someone doesn’t have it. this led to issues like systematic racism. now my question is why do u still see capitalistic ideas like value in communist countries like china? Specifically I’m talking about how the Chinese government has forcefully harvested organs specifically from muslims and political prisoners. why is that happening in a communist country? Why are they devaluing the lives of muslims? I get that it’s forceful either way and it should be condemned either way but the fact that they are specifically targeting muslims shows to me that china is devaluing Muslim lives which is a capitalist thing- Apr 21, 2022·edited·1 replyNeonNigga23
Ik this isn’t the communism thread but I have a question I figured someone itt could answer
as far as I’m aware, the idea of capitalism is built on value in the sense that something only has value is someone doesn’t have it. this led to issues like systematic racism. now my question is why do u still see capitalistic ideas like value in communist countries like china? Specifically I’m talking about how the Chinese government has forcefully harvested organs specifically from muslims and political prisoners. why is that happening in a communist country? Why are they devaluing the lives of muslims? I get that it’s forceful either way and it should be condemned either way but the fact that they are specifically targeting muslims shows to me that china is devaluing Muslim lives which is a capitalist thingthis is the communism thread baby
also all marxist-leninists view the chinese "organ harvesting" as propoganda. it is propoganda, and its spread by the falun gong (a f***ed up, western backed cult)
also asking about capitalism and china or whether china is communist or not is going to get you a huge debate
every communist has different perspectives on whether china is capitalist/socialistalso unsure how "value" has anything to do with organ harvesting; are you inferring they wouldn't do this because their selling the organs or something (?)
- Apr 21, 2022·1 replyNeonNigga23
Ik this isn’t the communism thread but I have a question I figured someone itt could answer
as far as I’m aware, the idea of capitalism is built on value in the sense that something only has value is someone doesn’t have it. this led to issues like systematic racism. now my question is why do u still see capitalistic ideas like value in communist countries like china? Specifically I’m talking about how the Chinese government has forcefully harvested organs specifically from muslims and political prisoners. why is that happening in a communist country? Why are they devaluing the lives of muslims? I get that it’s forceful either way and it should be condemned either way but the fact that they are specifically targeting muslims shows to me that china is devaluing Muslim lives which is a capitalist thingI think you’re woefully misunderstanding the economic dynamics of both capitalism and socialism/communism based on your definition of value and your definition of the two systems on the basis of value
- NeonNigga23 ♻️Apr 21, 2022·1 replyspace0cadet
this is the communism thread baby
also all marxist-leninists view the chinese "organ harvesting" as propoganda. it is propoganda, and its spread by the falun gong (a f***ed up, western backed cult)
also asking about capitalism and china or whether china is communist or not is going to get you a huge debate
every communist has different perspectives on whether china is capitalist/socialistalso unsure how "value" has anything to do with organ harvesting; are you inferring they wouldn't do this because their selling the organs or something (?)
nah by value in the example of organ harvesting i meant that they are targeting muslims because i guess they seem them as lesser than them
- NeonNigga23 ♻️Apr 21, 2022·2 repliesamericana
I think you’re woefully misunderstanding the economic dynamics of both capitalism and socialism/communism based on your definition of value and your definition of the two systems on the basis of value
yea probably im asking a ktt2 thread
but my general question was that i dont understand how china is a communist country when capitalistic s*** goes on there - Apr 21, 2022NeonNigga23
yea probably im asking a ktt2 thread
but my general question was that i dont understand how china is a communist country when capitalistic s*** goes on thereideals and realities are different things, and some ideals are impossible in the realistic conditions that surround them
- Apr 21, 2022·2 repliesNeonNigga23
nah by value in the example of organ harvesting i meant that they are targeting muslims because i guess they seem them as lesser than them
regardless of whether or not this is happening in china (i don't believe it is)
why do you think europeans came to africa and took black people? because white ppl thought black people were inferior?
no, because of the profit model. slavery started because of free labor, not because they were racist. the racism came later
pepl dont do s*** like that just cuz they're racist or w/e, it's for profit
Apr 21, 2022·2 repliesNeonNigga23yea probably im asking a ktt2 thread
but my general question was that i dont understand how china is a communist country when capitalistic s*** goes on thereChina is state capitalism
- Apr 21, 2022Changeofheart
China is state capitalism
- Apr 21, 2022Changeofheart
China is state capitalism
yep, and they aren't communist, they're socialist (if anything other than capitalist), there has never been a communist country
- Apr 21, 2022·1 replyNeonNigga23
Ik this isn’t the communism thread but I have a question I figured someone itt could answer
as far as I’m aware, the idea of capitalism is built on value in the sense that something only has value is someone doesn’t have it. this led to issues like systematic racism. now my question is why do u still see capitalistic ideas like value in communist countries like china? Specifically I’m talking about how the Chinese government has forcefully harvested organs specifically from muslims and political prisoners. why is that happening in a communist country? Why are they devaluing the lives of muslims? I get that it’s forceful either way and it should be condemned either way but the fact that they are specifically targeting muslims shows to me that china is devaluing Muslim lives which is a capitalist thingThat's not at all what Capitalism is. But answering your question on China, this specific thing of organ harvesting is misinformation spread by a Chinese billionaire in exiles cult called the "Falun Gong". Sounds tinfoil hat-y but you can look it up. Second, China is not a communist country which is an oxymoron because communism can't be localized to one country, its a new stage in human history. I think the word you're looking for is Socialist, which China hasn't been since the 1980s. They've liberalized their economy, sold off state assets, broken up their agricultural communes, etc.
But you probably want to know why bad things happen in Socialist countries, and that's because
1. Most Socialist countries had "backwards" Economies and wanted to quickly industrialize to provide for their people and defend themselves from the Capitalist powers. Industrialization is already a bloody enough process but it's stretched out over more than a century in most places, trying to essentially speed run it in a couple years or decacdes leads to a lot of suffering in a small timescale, mostly endured by the peasantry.
2. Just unlucky or bad circumstances like Cuba having basically 0 natural ressources or the Soviets inheriting a quasi-feudalcountry torn from years of warfare
3. Too complex to get into but just all the contradictions of trying to build socialism in 1 country. Bad enough to have all the Capitalist countries working to undermine you but when on top of that you're competing with fellow socialists you're kinda f***ed. - Apr 21, 2022
someone link this guy that video by the ex-cia dude talking about xinjiang, and how its a political tool for the u.s to spread lies about it bc its in a strategic geopolitcal area
- Apr 21, 2022·1 reply
@Scratchin_Bandit i think u have the link?
- NeonNigga23 ♻️Apr 21, 2022·1 replyspace0cadet
regardless of whether or not this is happening in china (i don't believe it is)
why do you think europeans came to africa and took black people? because white ppl thought black people were inferior?
no, because of the profit model. slavery started because of free labor, not because they were racist. the racism came later
pepl dont do s*** like that just cuz they're racist or w/e, it's for profit
yea Ik but how does the profit model fit into what may or may not be happening with the Muslim organ harvesting
- NeonNigga23 ♻️Apr 21, 2022Lein
That's not at all what Capitalism is. But answering your question on China, this specific thing of organ harvesting is misinformation spread by a Chinese billionaire in exiles cult called the "Falun Gong". Sounds tinfoil hat-y but you can look it up. Second, China is not a communist country which is an oxymoron because communism can't be localized to one country, its a new stage in human history. I think the word you're looking for is Socialist, which China hasn't been since the 1980s. They've liberalized their economy, sold off state assets, broken up their agricultural communes, etc.
But you probably want to know why bad things happen in Socialist countries, and that's because
1. Most Socialist countries had "backwards" Economies and wanted to quickly industrialize to provide for their people and defend themselves from the Capitalist powers. Industrialization is already a bloody enough process but it's stretched out over more than a century in most places, trying to essentially speed run it in a couple years or decacdes leads to a lot of suffering in a small timescale, mostly endured by the peasantry.
2. Just unlucky or bad circumstances like Cuba having basically 0 natural ressources or the Soviets inheriting a quasi-feudalcountry torn from years of warfare
3. Too complex to get into but just all the contradictions of trying to build socialism in 1 country. Bad enough to have all the Capitalist countries working to undermine you but when on top of that you're competing with fellow socialists you're kinda f***ed.yea Ik that isn’t what capitalism is idk I should’ve explained my thoughts better but I appreciate ur answer and the rest of the answers itt