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  • May 2, 2022
    EuroNymous
    https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1521084922710142977

    facts

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    p apollo

    bro was so bad at defending a pick and roll it led to him becoming a full time govt asset

    More basketball references in politics section

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    ktt2.com/atlantic-article-how-to-want-less-32520282/1#post-36080797

    Wonder what you think abt my posts itt and the Zizek lecture (if u got time to listen or maybe already know his thoughts on it) @krishna_bound

  • May 2, 2022

    Also kinda relates to our discussion earlier about materialism and idealism.

    And even orientalism, since one of the arguments that postcolonial theorists use as "evidence" that the spread of Marxism in the third world is part of a broader colonial project, since they pose that capitalism was never fully universalized in the third world because western customs didn't completely take over, but the ethic of buddhism can fit just as well in a capitalist superstructure as the ethic of protestantism

  • Scratchin Mamba

    https://ktt2.com/atlantic-article-how-to-want-less-32520282/1#post-36080797

    Wonder what you think abt my posts itt and the Zizek lecture (if u got time to listen or maybe already know his thoughts on it) @krishna_bound

    gimme a bit and ill check it out later today after work

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    The coopting of BLM and 1968 student movements gotta be two of the biggest ideological victories of capitalism in recent history

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    Scratchin Mamba

    The coopting of BLM and 1968 student movements gotta be two of the biggest ideological victories of capitalism in recent history

    i love how its still taboo to talk about, and generally underdiscussed/memory-holed, that the original leaders of BLM post-ferguson were all blatantly assassinated (shot in the head and put in the back of burning cars). Then several years later they pop up as a non-profit LLC and start talking about intersectionality and other social issues suddenly w/ corporate sponsorships

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    krishna bound

    i love how its still taboo to talk about, and generally underdiscussed/memory-holed, that the original leaders of BLM post-ferguson were all blatantly assassinated (shot in the head and put in the back of burning cars). Then several years later they pop up as a non-profit LLC and start talking about intersectionality and other social issues suddenly w/ corporate sponsorships

    And to then have the dems posture as the BLM party, which the republicans also played a role in for their own agenda, only to have Biden talking crazy like this

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    krishna bound

    i love how its still taboo to talk about, and generally underdiscussed/memory-holed, that the original leaders of BLM post-ferguson were all blatantly assassinated (shot in the head and put in the back of burning cars). Then several years later they pop up as a non-profit LLC and start talking about intersectionality and other social issues suddenly w/ corporate sponsorships

    Links?

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    Scratchin Mamba

    And to then have the dems posture as the BLM party, which the republicans also played a role in for their own agenda, only to have Biden talking crazy like this

    summer of 2020 arguably the most embarrassing set of months in modern american history

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    krishna bound

    summer of 2020 arguably the most embarrassing set of months in modern american history

    It was simultaneously some of the most inspiring months since it was a true mass movement for chante even globally not just in the US, but also some of the most blatant empty posturing and coopting ever

    But as Zizek would say what happens the day after the revolution, well.. yeah

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    Scratchin Mamba

    It was simultaneously some of the most inspiring months since it was a true mass movement for chante even globally not just in the US, but also some of the most blatant empty posturing and coopting ever

    But as Zizek would say what happens the day after the revolution, well.. yeah

    It seemed hopeful the first day or two but then i saw white people in black hoodies torching the businesses of somali immigrants i'm not trying to be all like "BUT THE POOR BUSINESSES" or something, but almost all the violence was entirely targeted at the ALREADY LEAST POLICED AREAS (ironically in part why they got away with it) - lower-income immigrant communities, lower-middle class neighborhoods, etc. ; the most they did was maybe loot some walmarts or wendy's, which is like idr feel bad at all but who cares. Once they started burning low income housing too i was just like
    While there was a tiny bit of it, the fact is almost all the violence basically just went towards other working communities, none of it actually went toward the ruling class, hence why corporations & politicians were so willing to jump on board and co-opt it immediatedly. Almost everything by the end was basically state sanctioned too. CHAZ/CHOP was literally just allowed by the Seattle Government, until it hurt their re-election chances, then it was cleared overnight. The fact it took less than 12 hours to clear everything once they actually wanted to is just proof of how much it was actually directly enabled by those in power. It's really depressing because I agree, it was outlined by a movement and set of ideas which should have been very inspiring, but the reality of it was just like

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    krishna bound

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/puzzling-number-men-tied-ferguson-protests-have-died-n984261

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-activist-deaths-black-lives-matter-20190317-story.html

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tamerragriffin/the-man-from-ferguson-iconic-protest-photo-has-died

    Were the two in torched cars in high up positions of blm?

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    krishna bound

    It seemed hopeful the first day or two but then i saw white people in black hoodies torching the businesses of somali immigrants i'm not trying to be all like "BUT THE POOR BUSINESSES" or something, but almost all the violence was entirely targeted at the ALREADY LEAST POLICED AREAS (ironically in part why they got away with it) - lower-income immigrant communities, lower-middle class neighborhoods, etc. ; the most they did was maybe loot some walmarts or wendy's, which is like idr feel bad at all but who cares. Once they started burning low income housing too i was just like
    While there was a tiny bit of it, the fact is almost all the violence basically just went towards other working communities, none of it actually went toward the ruling class, hence why corporations & politicians were so willing to jump on board and co-opt it immediatedly. Almost everything by the end was basically state sanctioned too. CHAZ/CHOP was literally just allowed by the Seattle Government, until it hurt their re-election chances, then it was cleared overnight. The fact it took less than 12 hours to clear everything once they actually wanted to is just proof of how much it was actually directly enabled by those in power. It's really depressing because I agree, it was outlined by a movement and set of ideas which should have been very inspiring, but the reality of it was just like

    Eh well with the looting I get your point, they should have targeted those smaller businesses or houses, ideally they all would have targeted walmarts or what not, but I don't believe that's part of some nefarious plot and simply due to proximity and because of fear for the larger repercussions if you do target those bigger companies.

    And yes ofc the movement was coopted, but it was a sanitized version of it, slogans like "defund the police" and the looting were never really condoned, although some did try to change the meaning of defund the police, but they abandoned that pretty quickly.

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    Yuzzy

    Were the two in torched cars in high up positions of blm?

    Darren Seals was probabyl the most prominent, he was one of the original Ferguson EARLY activists who co-founded reform organizations which was meant to be a class-first social justice organization (example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Up_United). He was controversial because he called out the "corporatization" of BLM at the time (like WAY before 2020 was even a thought, still under Obama) by profiteers who began using it for career opportunism or corporate sponsorships, but was involved in the early activism of what became BLM.

    Danye Jones (who was found literally lynched), was the son of Melissa McKinnies, who was basically the backbone of early protests at the time.

    The thing you have to keep in mind is that BLM WAS NOT an Organization at the time. It was literally a motto/phrase used by protestors. It only became an actual organization later after it was popularized in order to co-opt the message, there was never an "origiinal organization", there were lots of other reform groups and organizations (such as Seals' Hands Up United) who simply espoused the motto.

  • May 2, 2022
    krishna bound

    Darren Seals was probabyl the most prominent, he was one of the original Ferguson EARLY activists who co-founded reform organizations which was meant to be a class-first social justice organization (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Up_United). He was controversial because he called out the "corporatization" of BLM at the time (like WAY before 2020 was even a thought, still under Obama) by profiteers who began using it for career opportunism or corporate sponsorships, but was involved in the early activism of what became BLM.

    Danye Jones (who was found literally lynched), was the son of Melissa McKinnies, who was basically the backbone of early protests at the time.

    The thing you have to keep in mind is that BLM WAS NOT an Organization at the time. It was literally a motto/phrase used by protestors. It only became an actual organization later after it was popularized in order to co-opt the message, there was never an "origiinal organization", there were lots of other reform groups and organizations (such as Seals' Hands Up United) who simply espoused the motto.

    Suspicious

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Eh well with the looting I get your point, they should have targeted those smaller businesses or houses, ideally they all would have targeted walmarts or what not, but I don't believe that's part of some nefarious plot and simply due to proximity and because of fear for the larger repercussions if you do target those bigger companies.

    And yes ofc the movement was coopted, but it was a sanitized version of it, slogans like "defund the police" and the looting were never really condoned, although some did try to change the meaning of defund the police, but they abandoned that pretty quickly.

    I'm not really saying it was a nefarious plot or anything, I don't think it was literally like Nancy Pelosi personally calling up Antifa like "be sure to hit the shawarma place on 22nd st tonight - tomorrow, hit the KFC to even it out a bit" I'm more just saying the message was lost very quickly and spiraled into meaningless if not directly harmful behavior rather than meaningful revolutionary or influential action. Then after that, authorities or those in general higher up positions purposefully enabled it rather than stopping it when they could have, probably for a bunch of reasons.

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    krishna bound

    I'm not really saying it was a nefarious plot or anything, I don't think it was literally like Nancy Pelosi personally calling up Antifa like "be sure to hit the shawarma place on 22nd st tonight - tomorrow, hit the KFC to even it out a bit" I'm more just saying the message was lost very quickly and spiraled into meaningless if not directly harmful behavior rather than meaningful revolutionary or influential action. Then after that, authorities or those in general higher up positions purposefully enabled it rather than stopping it when they could have, probably for a bunch of reasons.

    I mean yeah I don't disagree, the movement expressed a genuine revolutionary desire I would say, but due to the fact that the only organization came from the side that wanted to demonize or coopt it, the violent attacks that did come from an authentic place quickly spiraled into reckless adventurism..

  • Scratchin Mamba

    I mean yeah I don't disagree, the movement expressed a genuine revolutionary desire I would say, but due to the fact that the only organization came from the side that wanted to demonize or coopt it, the violent attacks that did come from an authentic place quickly spiraled into reckless adventurism..

    Yeah I agree with that all too basically

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    Eid mubarak to those who celebrate

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Eid mubarak to those who celebrate

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    krishna bound

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    krishna bound

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