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  • Scratchin Mamba

    That's not what the Indian government said lmao learn how to read illiterate ass mf

    Literally says the vaccine didn't cause the deaths. Your source claimed they did. Here an enquiry proves there was zero link

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    F*** Tony Blair he's a ghoul. Im glad he was forced out. He was either an idiot or an evil idiot with a messiah complex. The man's gone and labour is now led entirely by people who either opposed or were not in politics at the time of Iraq. Its not justice but that's not what I support

    I dont support Israeli settlements or Hindu nationalism either. I'm especially interested in Ukraine as it is closer to home to me, I seldom of ever comment on the others and when I do I tend to be instinctively pro palestine

    closer to home

    i understand now do me a favour and post a hand pic so i can see something

  • Jul 31, 2022

    reasons i hate liberals so much is they’re wolves in sheep clothing

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    Womanpuncher69

    closer to home

    i understand now do me a favour and post a hand pic so i can see something

    What does that prove lol

    I support Palestine, oppose iraq etc. There's no hypocrisy in my position. Ukraine is geographically closer to me and is the situation most alike the Iraq war now. If my country invaded Iraq I'd oppose that too as would more or less everyone of my age as well as 50% of the British public the first time

    You won't catch me iterating the pro Israel line on Palestine at all, even thoigh that's prevalent in the west. On ukraine I will be pro ukraine as that's the position thats probably the one worth supporting. What I meant to say

  • Jul 31, 2022
    emo genghis khan

    idk how i can convince people that "gentle capitalism" doesn't exist

    easiest way is to point out unequal exchange: the fact that the wealth of even the most gentle of capitalist societies is based on the continued impoverishment of the third world.

    good luck :)

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    americana

    State structures can’t exist without some sort of popular consent, even the oligarchical ones

    And we may ask “why would a states that oppresses its own people exist with their popular support?” But we can look at the United States to see this contradiction occur firsthand

    They absolutely can, there have been and continue and continue to be plenty of functioning states with little to no public legitemacy. It's too simplistic to say all states are authoritarian and leave it at that. The Antebellum South needed most people at gun point 24/7 just to function, that's a time of civil war in any liberal democracy today or even a feudal state.

  • Jul 31, 2022
    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    Everytime I enter this thread, I be leaving like "damn, I gotta be stupid as hell coz I don't know what I just read"

    feel encouraged to ask about anything, and don't feel like you need to have fully conceived the concept to ask about it either

    the ruling class demands you to not only uneducated but to believe the consciousness (that you already possess) to be outside of your capacity. the most successful socialists to ever exist have come from agrarian rural third world countries, so definitely don't feel discouraged :)

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    What does that prove lol

    I support Palestine, oppose iraq etc. There's no hypocrisy in my position. Ukraine is geographically closer to me and is the situation most alike the Iraq war now. If my country invaded Iraq I'd oppose that too as would more or less everyone of my age as well as 50% of the British public the first time

    You won't catch me iterating the pro Israel line on Palestine at all, even thoigh that's prevalent in the west. On ukraine I will be pro ukraine as that's the position thats probably the one worth supporting. What I meant to say

    didn’t have a point there just wanted to make fun of you for being white other than u caring more about them cause they white

    though it’s easy to be anti war when it’s all done and you already seen the fall out, and if those individuals lived through those times like older than being 3 years old most of em would have supported the war with all the propaganda that was going on.

    and i wasn’t talking about ur position on palestine, i was talking about saying u hate billionaires while supporting the things these billionaires want the most a forever war in Ukraine.

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    Womanpuncher69

    didn’t have a point there just wanted to make fun of you for being white other than u caring more about them cause they white

    though it’s easy to be anti war when it’s all done and you already seen the fall out, and if those individuals lived through those times like older than being 3 years old most of em would have supported the war with all the propaganda that was going on.

    and i wasn’t talking about ur position on palestine, i was talking about saying u hate billionaires while supporting the things these billionaires want the most a forever war in Ukraine.

    I want what the Ukrainian people want which is the Russians to get out of their country

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    I want what the Ukrainian people want which is the Russians to get out of their country

    "Ukrainian people" want peace

    im certain that they don't want to fight russia to the death

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    deadacc

    "Ukrainian people" want peace

    im certain that they don't want to fight russia to the death

    We support the Ukrainian jihad

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    deadacc

    "Ukrainian people" want peace

    im certain that they don't want to fight russia to the death

    They want the Russians out of their country. That's literally proven

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    americana

    We support the Ukrainian jihad

    obvious parenti moment: "the people don't actually support the taliban"

    "sike, the Ukrainians yearn for freedom and they are all willing to die for it"

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    They want the Russians out of their country. That's literally proven

    they are not going to win

    do you think that all ukrainians are willing to fight russia to the death of every single combat capable citizen (a category which is constantly expanding)?

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    deadacc

    they are not going to win

    do you think that all ukrainians are willing to fight russia to the death of every single combat capable citizen (a category which is constantly expanding)?

    They support the donation of weapons so they can regain some land and also prevent the Russians gaining more

    That diesnt mean a human wave fight to the death but clearly they don't wanna surrender yet

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    I want what the Ukrainian people want which is the Russians to get out of their country

    like i was saying before it’s easy to say that ur anti bad thing and pro good thing but to think what political action works toward that goal is much harder and does sending arms to Ukraine so that i would say no. Ukraine should give up D&L, after all wasnt Ukraine already shelling them, and i don’t wanna hear that you don’t trust russian news propaganda so therefore it never happened or some bs when ur so quick to swallow up western propaganda like all that bs that happened at start of the war with the Ghost of Kiev and the Ukrainian sailors telling Russians to f*** off when it all turned out to be a lie . all sending more arms does is feed the bloodlust of weapon manufacturing ghouls having a new afghanistan.

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    Womanpuncher69

    like i was saying before it’s easy to say that ur anti bad thing and pro good thing but to think what political action works toward that goal is much harder and does sending arms to Ukraine so that i would say no. Ukraine should give up D&L, after all wasnt Ukraine already shelling them, and i don’t wanna hear that you don’t trust russian news propaganda so therefore it never happened or some bs when ur so quick to swallow up western propaganda like all that bs that happened at start of the war with the Ghost of Kiev and the Ukrainian sailors telling Russians to f*** off when it all turned out to be a lie . all sending more arms does is feed the bloodlust of weapon manufacturing ghouls having a new afghanistan.

    HIMARS have helped isolate the Russians in kherson

    Also donbass is tricky but the Russians kinda did send in militias and work with mob bosses and warlords to create 2 states, one of which run by a pyramid scheme guy

    Seems legit

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    They support the donation of weapons so they can regain some land and also prevent the Russians gaining more

    That diesnt mean a human wave fight to the death but clearly they don't wanna surrender yet

    "they" (being the bourgeois in charge of the state) have no common interest with the proletariat who are the ones who will/are dying as a result of them pushing their dumbass interests.

    "they" have ignored every chance at peace which could have saved tens of thousands of lives. "They" are continuing to kill people to "regain" land that they had already been offered in negotiations a long time ago.

    the reason people here have an issue with ur rhetoric is that it pushes the interests of the bourgeois over what should be seeked out which is the interests of the common person who has to die in these wars.

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    HIMARS have helped isolate the Russians in kherson

    Also donbass is tricky but the Russians kinda did send in militias and work with mob bosses and warlords to create 2 states, one of which run by a pyramid scheme guy

    Seems legit

    and is that gonna change the war or is it going to be a temporary victory ? is it another Ghost of Kiev moment to rally up support to justify the prolonging the war so the ghouls can profit off it more ?

    also what’s your sources i provided mine for Gates

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    deadacc

    "they" (being the bourgeois in charge of the state) have no common interest with the proletariat who are the ones who will/are dying as a result of them pushing their dumbass interests.

    "they" have ignored every chance at peace which could have saved tens of thousands of lives. "They" are continuing to kill people to "regain" land that they had already been offered in negotiations a long time ago.

    the reason people here have an issue with ur rhetoric is that it pushes the interests of the bourgeois over what should be seeked out which is the interests of the common person who has to die in these wars.

    I feel it, there are many wars that fit this mold. World War 1 comes to mind

    But polling shows the Ukrainian public want their land

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    Womanpuncher69

    and is that gonna change the war or is it going to be a temporary victory ? is it another Ghost of Kiev moment to rally up support to justify the prolonging the war so the ghouls can profit off it more ?

    also what’s your sources i provided mine for Gates

    Kherson bridge:

    news.usni.org/2022/07/29/russian-building-pontoon-bridge-in-kherson-satellite-imagery-shows

    Source which shows the Russians need to build pontoon bridhes to get back across dniieper. Indicates destruction of existing bridges, they obviously need new ones

    Source reporting destruction of kherson bridges due to HIMARS

    thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-himars-knocks-out-strategic-rail-bridge-near-kherson

    Among many more

    Both these sources together provide strong proof. There would be no meed for a pontoon if the bridhes hadn't been taken out

    The Ukrainians gotta retake kherson soon, wait too long and the Russians will stage a sham referendums

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    Kherson bridge:

    https://news.usni.org/2022/07/29/russian-building-pontoon-bridge-in-kherson-satellite-imagery-shows

    Source which shows the Russians need to build pontoon bridhes to get back across dniieper. Indicates destruction of existing bridges, they obviously need new ones

    Source reporting destruction of kherson bridges due to HIMARS

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-himars-knocks-out-strategic-rail-bridge-near-kherson

    Among many more

    Both these sources together provide strong proof. There would be no meed for a pontoon if the bridhes hadn't been taken out

    The Ukrainians gotta retake kherson soon, wait too long and the Russians will stage a sham referendums

    my bad for not being clear but i meant the second point u made like the militias and mob bosses and such

  • Womanpuncher69

    my bad for not being clear but i meant the second point u made like the militias and mob bosses and such

    I've got a lot of sources from academic literature to news reports, cant send the full thing now as im at work but it's definitely there

    If you look at the wiki page for Denis pushilin, leader of dpr, you'll see he was in a pyramid scheme though

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    I feel it, there are many wars that fit this mold. World War 1 comes to mind

    But polling shows the Ukrainian public want their land

    "The October 2021 polls delivered a shock to the presidential team. According to the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, Zelensky’s approval rating as president dropped from 33.3 percent in September to 24.7 percent in October, separated from Poroshenko’s approval rating by fewer than ten percentage points. The Razumkov Center’s poll demonstrates that Volodymyr Zelensky overtook Petro Poroshenko and now has the biggest “anti-rating” among Ukrainian politicians. What has happened to the once beloved leader?"
    razumkov.org.ua/napriamky/sotsiologichni-doslidzhennia/elektoralni-oriientatsii-gromadian-ukrainy-ta-ikh-stavlennia-do-rezonansnykh-podii-ostannogo-chasu

    i can't be the only one suspicious of this 1,000 person poll by the University of Chicago to be totally accurate of the entire population that claims that 84% of ukrainians trust zelensky "very/somewhat" and 97% of Ukrainians trust the Ukrainian Military "a great deal/somewhat" when just prior to the war he was trending towards one of the least approved presidents and on track to trend even worse.
    s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ_NORC_Ukraine_Poll_June_2022.pdf

    from what i can draw from the dataset it looks like a majority of people who were displaced by the war and are planning on moving back. depending on how the questions were framed this could mean a huge diversity of true opinions on whether that means people believe in constantly having people die in order to reclaim land that may never be reclaimed.

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    redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels
    interesting counter theory to the highly popularized "inventing reality" theory

    Talk of “manufacturing” and “inventing” suggests an imposition over and against the individual’s will. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing” — the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. When we concede that the time horizon and scope of responsibility within which we all make our decisions varies, it becomes much easier to see how their choice could be smart and intelligent. The enlightened critic can plead that if we all agreed to denounce the status quo in unison we’d be immensely rewarded, but the average worker in the first world cannot be accused of naivety for preferring to keep a low profile, particularly after being subject — very often by that same critic — to so many grim stories of murder and of punishment and of how any attempt at radical change always goes awry.