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  • Aug 5, 2022
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    krishna bound

    how do you explain this?

    but seriously gonzalo would have this territorial advantage and fail still

    ik im angering my maoists in here im sorry

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    its weird cuz the people ik irl would call everybody itt revisionists

    and vice versa its kinda interesting

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    deadacc

    its weird cuz the people ik irl would call everybody itt revisionists

    and vice versa its kinda interesting

    Revisionism is when the

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    deadacc

    its weird cuz the people ik irl would call everybody itt revisionists

    and vice versa its kinda interesting

    there is almost no way any irl self-identified leftists would ever consider me part of the left

  • deadacc

    but seriously gonzalo would have this territorial advantage and fail still

    ik im angering my maoists in here im sorry

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    krishna bound

    there is almost no way any irl self-identified leftists would ever consider me part of the left

    sadly

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    deadacc

    still can't believe anybody upholds gonzalo when he FAILED

    regardless of the other stuff (which may or may not be a big regardless) he didn't even succeed

    I mean just cause he failed all his s*** was worthless, like how to construct the party with the united front and army is very well written and upheld by the biggest Maoist parties the Indians and Flipinos, or reconstituting the communist party after it fell into revisionism and a hollow version of its self is very interesting as well

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    deadacc

    sadly

    at the end of the day you do what you gotta do

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    I mean just cause he failed all his s*** was worthless, like how to construct the party with the united front and army is very well written and upheld by the biggest Maoist parties the Indians and Flipinos, or reconstituting the communist party after it fell into revisionism and a hollow version of its self is very interesting as well

    yea im part of a maoist related org i just think that gonzalo himself had so many issues

    segments of his writing are good but i could care less about upholding the dude himself

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    krishna bound

    at the end of the day you do what you gotta do

    do you push people around you lefter or do you just grill irl?

  • Aug 5, 2022

    Daniel Burke (Larouche Was Right Party) ran for election to the U.S. Senate to represent New Jersey. He lost in the general election on November 3, 2020.

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    deadacc

    yea im part of a maoist related org i just think that gonzalo himself had so many issues

    segments of his writing are good but i could care less about upholding the dude himself

    curious of what issues you think he had since I dont really hear much good natured critique of him since he such a polarising figure people tend to either foam at the mouth when hes mentioned it or become a cultist

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    His political views at the time aren't well known, nor are his actions during the revolution. But he did snitch afterwards. I don't think he was a spy, but just an opportunist in a wild era.

    We have plenty of his evidence he was already a rightist from his time in Vienna onwards and we do know he ordered his barracks to stay neutral during the left infighting. What there isn't evidence for is that he ever "fought for socialists".

  • deadacc

    do you push people around you lefter or do you just grill irl?

    ive pushed a lot of people who are/were either moderately or very far right to the left even if just moderately so
    ofc theres not many places these people can funnel those political views living in the US, but i'd rather them have more genuine worker centric politics than deriviative conservative faux-patriotic nonsense politics

    also thought you said "you letter" at first and i was "is this dude saying that as a derogatory thing because he actually thinks i'm an intelligence worker??"

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    soon

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    Womanpuncher69

    curious of what issues you think he had since I dont really hear much good natured critique of him since he such a polarising figure people tend to either foam at the mouth when hes mentioned it or become a cultist

    mostly with just how he actually organized the revolution.

    the conditions of peru were damn near perfect (probably equivalent to the philippines right now with a damn near identical hacienda system) given how successful the party was.

    but his personal failures contributed heavily to the failure of the entire revolution, like the complete centralization of the command structure around gonzalo himself causing a catastrophic collapse of the command structure once gonzalo was imprisoned. not gonna make any strict judgements about what "moral" failing allowed this to happen, but from a practical perspective actually institutionalizing the decisionmaking process around practically just him was asking for problems.

    also i technically do see where mlm could be a break from ml but i dont personally feel it constitutes one. i do believe that looking through the maoist theoretical tradition provides incredibly important practical information. i don't believe gonzalo correctly summed up what "maoism" is given that in person and online there are wildly different understandings of even a basic concept like mass line within maoist circles. ive only read through like one or two excerpts of gonzalo's writings but i always find myself unmotivated to further explore anything else given the above, but if there's something you think is genuinely worth reading def send it my way.

    also my head is super foggy so sorry if im being unclear.

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    nah there is no way

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    the reds

    We have plenty of his evidence he was already a rightist from his time in Vienna onwards and we do know he ordered his barracks to stay neutral during the left infighting. What there isn't evidence for is that he ever "fought for socialists".

    He was mostly just an anti-semite and a vague german nationalist (meaning preferring austria to be part of bigger Germany again) in Vienna. His political awakening happened after WW1.

  • Aug 5, 2022
    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/MahuiChina/status/1555321816650063880

    nah there is no way

    He is a "Friend of China" after all0

  • Aug 5, 2022
    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/MahuiChina/status/1555321816650063880

    nah there is no way

    kissinger

    dengists

  • Aug 5, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    curious of what issues you think he had since I dont really hear much good natured critique of him since he such a polarising figure people tend to either foam at the mouth when hes mentioned it or become a cultist

    apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA223249.pdf

    interesting RAND corp doc on the situation of peru at the time.

    whole document is essentially them s***ting themselves about what might happen to cause the military's defeat, and then they point out exactly what ended up happening to cause the downfall of the revolution.

    This raises a final point, which is the degree to which Sendero may be vulnerable to Abimael Guzman's death or capture. The Shining Path is, in many respects, a highly personalistic movement. Guzman has spoken out pointedly against those who have argued that Sendero is based on a cult of personality, but the movement is clearly a reflec- tion of his personality, worldview, and idiosyncratic philosophy of revo- lution. Until recently, it appears that little effort had been made to institutionalize the decisionmaking process or hedge against the day when Guzman might pass from the scene. This has now begun to change (the stated purpose of Sendero's first party congress was to "institutionalize the thought of Comrade Gonzalo"). How far this pro- cess has progressed and to what degree it has resulted in a more robust organization are open questions. Guzman remains Sendero's chief theoretician and leading personality. In a very real sense it remains his organization. He is much more than the movement's founder and current head, he is its spiritual leader and guiding light. The risk this poses to Sendero's vitality in his absence is aggravated by its clandes- tine character, decentralization, and continuing problems of command and control. These factors have not been serious problems in the past, in part because of the bond that has been established between the
    movement's rank and file and the man and his image. Whether the organization could survive his death in its present form and configura- tion is an open question.

    These factors may well place important constraints on where Sen- dero goes in the future, but they will have little or no bearing on the movement's immediate operational profile. The Shining Path is by now an established organization. Its size, level of popular support, area of operation, and ability to influence Peru's political future have also grown steadily. ALuempts on the part of the Belaunde and Garcia
    governments to find common ground with the movement have not suc- ceeded and can be expected to continue to fail. Its decentralized struc- ture, while posing problems of communication and control, has also made it very difficult to contain and defeat. Even the eventual death or capture of Abimael Guzman, while conceivably crippling the move-
    ment in the long run, would not lead to the organization's immediate demise. As martyr or legend he could remain a force behind the scenes and an example to those who would succeed him for some time to come. Whether and when the movement will ever feel confident enough to make a bid for power is much more difficult to say. As with so much about the Shining Path, it will depend on variables that in the end we know little about.

  • Aug 5, 2022
    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/MahuiChina/status/1555321816650063880

    nah there is no way

    Im boutta go on another rant about the demise of realism in american IR ideology

  • Aug 5, 2022
    krishna bound

    there is almost no way any irl self-identified leftists would ever consider me part of the left

    Reality is leftist and you’re a realist

  • Aug 5, 2022
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    krishna bound

    there is almost no way any irl self-identified leftists would ever consider me part of the left

    Don’t get down on yourself no one cares what 60 year old Trotskyists think