And why don't they deserve food

if you believe everyone should be given a house for turning 18 theres no point in going back and forth.

if shelter is a need, how is it not a right?

define a right then

A human right would be things like food, shelter, water that all people are entitled to based on their status as a human being.

the fact you disagree with me saying "yea if you cant work if you need help paying then you should be able to get help"

So, if people need shelter to survive, need food to survive, you'd have a hell of a time jumping through hoops explaining how those things aren't rights.

Because you are creating a dichotomy where there doesn't need to be one. Shelter is a right. in the 21st century, we have the ability to make it so that shelter takes the form of housing. If something is a right, which shelter is, then guess what, we don't need to tie it to work. its simple af but, youve got brain rot.

Human rights are the basic rights and freedoms that belong to every person in the world, from birth until death.

me saying no its not a right = you should be able to get help if you cant provide it for yourself. vs you saying im living so give me this

and what are those basic rights

crazy world to imagine right, where we distribute resources based on needs and not to whoever has the most available wealth to buy up all the resources

negative rights

lmao this doesn't say a damn thing

negative rights are freedom of speech, life, private property, freedom from violent crime, freedom of religion, habeas corpus, a fair trial, and freedom from slavery

google is free btw

imagine thinking private property is a right

amazing that you literally had to google what kind of rights you want to believe in because you have no conception of what rights are beyond what bourgeoisie democracy tells you are rights

now go ahead and tell me why private property is a right but not housing and food

my guy couldnt give a simple "i agree" to humans deserving food

you have a right to own things. you dont have a right to a good

So food is a basic human need, but people don't deserve it is what youre saying

pretty f***ed up
but that's literally what capitalism is

work to live, if you don't, you starve.

not like you can voluntarily leave the system either.

try to make your own shelter or get your own food -- all the land around us is "private" and one will be met with legitimized violence from the state if you try to survive off it

So hypothetically, if one person wanted to hoard all the food in the town on their private property, the other people have to starve yes

i literally said if you need help you should be given help with food and housing....

Death to socialists and capitalists

I do agree that safety nets for basic food and housing should exist for people who truly need it

EBT and disability benefits and such do a sufficient job helping people with food imo, but the housing problem in the US, especially in certain cities, definitely needs to be addressed