Jul 25, 2021·edited·2 replies
Maga LawI'm not anti-vax but haven't gotten the vaccine
Haven't gotten COVID and I work in the restaurant industry and been around mad people lol
I just need more information, there's no data
There's a whole year plus of data, people have been getting vaccinated since last spring, you're just too lazy/illiterate to read through it
- Jul 25, 2021·edited·1 reply
EzioWhy do you insist on calling it a vaccine by the way ? It's absolutely not a vaccine. Are you purposefully playing marketing games, is it just a language quirk or did you just take it at face value ?
Definition: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-are-nucleic-acid-vaccines-and-how-could-they-be-used-against-covid-19
- Jul 25, 2021Noir
There's a whole year plus of data, people have been getting vaccinated since last spring, you're just too lazy/illiterate to read through it
If you're comfortable with it then do you bro
- Ezio 🎰Jul 25, 2021Noir
There's a whole year plus of data, people have been getting vaccinated since last spring, you're just too lazy/illiterate to read through it
He means there's no data on long term risks
- Ezio 🎰Jul 25, 2021·1 replyNoir
Definition: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-are-nucleic-acid-vaccines-and-how-could-they-be-used-against-covid-19
Thought you might find that interesting
- Jul 25, 2021·1 replyEzio
Thought you might find that interesting
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=50886
One of the comments mentions this, but utilizing a modified toxoid to vaccinate against diphtheria has been practiced for a century now. Genetically tweaking a protein to instruct cells in creating antibodies is effectively the same thing, albeit safer because the substance used is itself benign, as opposed to a weakened virus or toxoid.
Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive, so they reflect reality instead of guiding it. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years to tweak a definition, sometimes it takes one. It just depends on the amount of mainstream attention brought to it.
- Ezio 🎰Jul 25, 2021·1 replyNoir
One of the comments mentions this, but utilizing a modified toxoid to vaccinate against diphtheria has been practiced for a century now. Genetically tweaking a protein to instruct cells in creating antibodies is effectively the same thing, albeit safer because the substance used is itself benign, as opposed to a weakened virus or toxoid.
Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive, so they reflect reality instead of guiding it. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years to tweak a definition, sometimes it takes one. It just depends on the amount of mainstream attention brought to it.
Do you really think we have enough data to safely predict the long term effect of the genetical tweaking? I understand that the agent all but self-destructs after his mission but I don't see how we can ethically shush away doubt in people's mind
- Jul 25, 2021·2 repliesEzio
Do you really think we have enough data to safely predict the long term effect of the genetical tweaking? I understand that the agent all but self-destructs after his mission but I don't see how we can ethically shush away doubt in people's mind
I don't know the answer to that question. Life revolves around the concept of risk management, as well as trust in expertise, and I think everyone has their own individual part to play in this if mandates aren't going to be established (they won't as long as an EUA is in effect).
I will say that, on a purely material level, there is no way messenger RNA could meaningfully impact your DNA because it's too fragile to work beyond its limited purpose; there is a reason the vaccines need to be frozen to work properly. Additionally, DNA is housed inside the nucleus of the cell, whereas messenger RNA works outside of it to influence the behavior of cells. The two can't really meet.
One thing I will insist upon is that everyone should be rooting for the success of mRNA tech because of its extensive potential applications. The emerging field of immuno-oncology could extend life expectancy by many years should we find that there are no unaccounted for side effects to the therapy itself. It's possible that we could have mRNA vaccines for pancreatic cancer very soon and it would be a tragedy if people turned them down purely because they didn't understand how they work.
Jul 25, 2021·1 reply0· editedYou obviously don't understand the basics of viral replication and how mutations work
DELTA isn't deadlier, it just spreads at a 5x multiple because infected people produce more viral load
Fear mongering doesn't work to get someone to take an experimental gene therapy marketed as a vaccine
The whole thing is f***ed, you're emblematic of the problem. Someone who doesn't understand science but has spent a few pages pretending he does and guilt tripping people
Still haven't gotten a rational explanation why for example <25 year olds on this site should be mandatorily vaccinated when they have a literal near 0% mortality rate
If you want to go hate on idiotic boomers, go right ahead but they're not on KTT they're on your facebook
Later
Lmfao
Just because delta isn’t deadlier doesn’t mean a deadlier strain couldn’t evolve suck my d***- Ezio 🎰Jul 25, 2021Noir
I don't know the answer to that question. Life revolves around the concept of risk management, as well as trust in expertise, and I think everyone has their own individual part to play in this if mandates aren't going to be established (they won't as long as an EUA is in effect).
I will say that, on a purely material level, there is no way messenger RNA could meaningfully impact your DNA because it's too fragile to work beyond its limited purpose; there is a reason the vaccines need to be frozen to work properly. Additionally, DNA is housed inside the nucleus of the cell, whereas messenger RNA works outside of it to influence the behavior of cells. The two can't really meet.
One thing I will insist upon is that everyone should be rooting for the success of mRNA tech because of its extensive potential applications. The emerging field of immuno-oncology could extend life expectancy by many years should we find that there are no unaccounted for side effects to the therapy itself. It's possible that we could have mRNA vaccines for pancreatic cancer very soon and it would be a tragedy if people turned them down purely because they didn't understand how they work.
Of course I understand that it won't change DNA like a lot of people think, but always better to clarify. Always a pleasure to discuss with you, good writers and cordial individuals are rarefied these days.
- 0 👀Jul 25, 2021·1 replyAstronaut Dad
Lmfao
Just because delta isn’t deadlier doesn’t mean a deadlier strain couldn’t evolve suck my d***There are viruses that mutate into worse things, definitely
But most dominant strains would instead be more likely to spread if they have higher transmissibility
This is why we don't have huge problems with things like Ebola, it's more deadly but way less likely to spread
- Jul 25, 2021·1 reply0
There are viruses that mutate into worse things, definitely
But most dominant strains would instead be more likely to spread if they have higher transmissibility
This is why we don't have huge problems with things like Ebola, it's more deadly but way less likely to spread
and the beta variant has already confirmed to be more lethal. and even if it's just twice the amount of lethality or .5 percent because of the amount of people contracting the virus thats potentially millions of people
- Jul 25, 2021
Y’all willingly gonna kill your mama and grandma
- 0 👀Jul 25, 2021·1 replyAstronaut Dad
and the beta variant has already confirmed to be more lethal. and even if it's just twice the amount of lethality or .5 percent because of the amount of people contracting the virus thats potentially millions of people
There is no evidence that any of them cause much more serious illness for the vast majority of people.
Jumping to say something is twice as deadly is quite the stretch.
Anyway, my main issue is your aggressive tone pushing a narrative that younger people need to be vax'd with a mandatory decree.
It's the over 50 crowd that's at risk and once again young people are being asked to obey without much input or long term discussion being allowed.
When did this whole world turn mad with the blind trust in our institutions that have failed us at every point?
- Jul 25, 2021·2 replies0
There is no evidence that any of them cause much more serious illness for the vast majority of people.
Jumping to say something is twice as deadly is quite the stretch.
Anyway, my main issue is your aggressive tone pushing a narrative that younger people need to be vax'd with a mandatory decree.
It's the over 50 crowd that's at risk and once again young people are being asked to obey without much input or long term discussion being allowed.
When did this whole world turn mad with the blind trust in our institutions that have failed us at every point?
Vaccine hesitancy is idiotic and a major health risk lmao people should be treated like clowns for it the same way we shame certain ideas in society we should shame this
Jul 25, 2021Astronaut DadVaccine hesitancy is idiotic and a major health risk lmao people should be treated like clowns for it the same way we shame certain ideas in society we should shame this
correct
- Jul 25, 2021
ChangeofheartI plan on getting vaccinated for this when I know it’s safe/ fully fda approved. if I was high risk I would get the vaccine but I’m not so I’m going to wait for it too go thru the testing that every other vaccine has gone thru before taking it
- Jul 25, 2021·1 replymath fifty
A Rational Ass Nigga
Wanting to be kind and patient towards anti vaxxers isn’t rational.
They’re complete idiots and should be dragged through the mud. It’s not about superiority or looking down on people anymore. It’s just having common sense vs being a completely selfish and ignorant clown. F*** them. People who are anti covid vaccine are worse than people who are anti mask. F*** em.
- 0 👀Jul 25, 2021Noir
I don't know the answer to that question. Life revolves around the concept of risk management, as well as trust in expertise, and I think everyone has their own individual part to play in this if mandates aren't going to be established (they won't as long as an EUA is in effect).
I will say that, on a purely material level, there is no way messenger RNA could meaningfully impact your DNA because it's too fragile to work beyond its limited purpose; there is a reason the vaccines need to be frozen to work properly. Additionally, DNA is housed inside the nucleus of the cell, whereas messenger RNA works outside of it to influence the behavior of cells. The two can't really meet.
One thing I will insist upon is that everyone should be rooting for the success of mRNA tech because of its extensive potential applications. The emerging field of immuno-oncology could extend life expectancy by many years should we find that there are no unaccounted for side effects to the therapy itself. It's possible that we could have mRNA vaccines for pancreatic cancer very soon and it would be a tragedy if people turned them down purely because they didn't understand how they work.
As someone who has been interested in this tech for years, it's both a blessing and a curse that it's being used in such a large quantity for its first deployment. I guess you don't know if the plane can fly until it is in the air.
This is the only thing that worries me though. I am a believer long-term but I wonder if we are at a point where we cannot know fully the consequences of this particular rollout.
Do you not agree that there are some ethical concerns about forcing vaccinations onto young adult populations instead of focusing on the 50+ers given the nature of the disease?
I am hopeful for treatments for cancers ASAP, but the risk that people are willing to accept for end-of-life therapies are so much higher. Especially when for a lot of young people COVID is nothing more than a cold or flu.
I'm sure it frustrates you to have to deal with the politized version of this debate when we could be looking at it in a much more pragmatic fashion IMO and it's been frustrating to see how poorly they've marketed this technology given it's so important to the future of medicine.
- 0 👀Jul 25, 2021Astronaut Dad
Vaccine hesitancy is idiotic and a major health risk lmao people should be treated like clowns for it the same way we shame certain ideas in society we should shame this
it's painfully obvious you just want to feel morally superior to people and talk s*** to "clowns"
good logic idiot
you're doing a disservice to people actually trying to spread information to get people to change their mind and get vaccinated
that mentality is what ruined the USA and why the russian and chinese trolls are having a field day spreading misinfo and conflict on the internet about COVID right now
- Jul 25, 2021·1 replyJihyo
Wanting to be kind and patient towards anti vaxxers isn’t rational.
They’re complete idiots and should be dragged through the mud. It’s not about superiority or looking down on people anymore. It’s just having common sense vs being a completely selfish and ignorant clown. F*** them. People who are anti covid vaccine are worse than people who are anti mask. F*** em.
Okay but what are you accomplishing by that besides making yourself feel smarter and better than everyone else
- Jul 25, 2021
This dude said being kind and patient isn't rational
god i hate you wannabe radicals so f***ing much - Jul 25, 2021
a lot of y'all have nothing going on in y'alls lives so you seek this false sense of superiority by telling other people how to live theirs. just accept the fact that y'all are losers do actually do something to fix it.
Jul 26, 2021·1 replythe “wait and see” crowd is really ruining things for everyone
- Ezio 🎰Jul 26, 2021·1 replyMVP Pinhead
the “wait and see” crowd is really ruining things for everyone
You strike me as the type of person who keeps pre-ordering incomplete videogames and buying all the patches as DLC, buys all the $0.99 skins and then has the nerve to complain about the direction of the series on reddit
Just an unrelated observation