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  • Dec 5, 2019

    This trend has got to stop.

    When Gina Rodriguez (Jane from Jane the Virgin; good show) said nigga on her little IG live trying to be cute, her "apology" consisted of her apologizing to "POC"

    Viola Davis was speaking about the discrimination she faces for her natural hair, and said (paraphrasing) "women of color face discrimination for our hair", sis.......

    There's a newish unspoken notion that if you use "POC" opposed to saying black it's more warmly received.

    Lately, black entertainers and creatives have been using these terms to further this weird s***. Lena Waithe when speaking on negative things associated with the black community she will specifically use the word "Black". "Black people need to do xyz", etc,. But when talking about positive things "I'm making stories for...", she'll use "POC". She'll specify on Twitter that black people need to go support s*** and do s*** and spend our money on s*** but any other time it's "POC".

    A more recent example is this Noname s***.

    Why is she calling out "black outlets" for her "POC" book club?

    LaKeith Stanfield calling out black media outlets when he's out here on national white peoples television licking his feet and giving racist Jimmy Kimmel flowers.... But black outlets are when he chooses to be specific. Donald Glover also does this s***.

    These terms are not interchangeable. There's plenty of situations where the term is useful and accurate but it is weaponized against black people to bully us into corners and make us be quiet.

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    You had me until the end, Noname and Lakeith weren’t the best options to do it and they could’ve expressed themselves better but black media outlets do be on some f*** s***

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    But 100%, POC is a s*** phrase that isn’t used in the right context most times. Especially with black people.

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    Black is not a monolith, same as brown. You can’t group Afro-caribbeans and continental africans with Afro-Americans under one label. Same goes for Latin Americans and South Asians, for example. These are all different, complex identities all embedded in non-American histories. The PoC label is just a term to signify these differences and complexities. You can’t simply capture these social realities with one label, though

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    Lil Zay

    You had me until the end, Noname and Lakeith weren’t the best options to do it and they could’ve expressed themselves better but black media outlets do be on some f*** s***

    Nah, Noname expressed herself exactly as she wanted to.

    She specified black to criticize but her "poc book club" she used that term. Call out "poc" media outlets for not reporting it. Black =/= POC.

    LaKeith is a damn clown, and this is coming from someone who historically has s*** on TBC since KTT1.

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    Charlamange asked LaKeith a serious question about why his group name was The Moors and instead of answering the question he put on a ignorant cap and proceeded to be an airhead for the rest of the interview.

    And he LICKED. HIS. FEET. FOR. WHITE. TV. This is the same dude who won't speak to other black outlets lmao.

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    stingray

    Black is not a monolith, same as brown. You can’t group Afro-caribbeans and continental africans with Afro-Americans under one label. Same goes for Latin Americans and South Asians, for example. These are all different, complex identities all embedded in non-American histories. The PoC label is just a term to signify these differences and complexities. You can’t simply capture these social realities with one label, though

    POC doesn't just include those but it also includes non Black people. Black isn't good for all of us who look Black but at least it focuses on an outlook Black people can experience.

    Using POC is also used to speak over Black voices on Black issues, because it casts an even wider false net of minority solidarity.

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    stingray

    Black is not a monolith, same as brown. You can’t group Afro-caribbeans and continental africans with Afro-Americans under one label. Same goes for Latin Americans and South Asians, for example. These are all different, complex identities all embedded in non-American histories. The PoC label is just a term to signify these differences and complexities. You can’t simply capture these social realities with one label, though

    POC on it's own is fine but I'm talking about the context in which it is used is in a way to silence black people.

    People will use black when criticizing something but use POC when speaking positively. Black is racially charged, POC is a lot more ambiguous.

    Why did Gina Rodriguez apologize to "POC" for saying nigga?

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    Beck

    POC doesn't just include those but it also includes non Black people. Black isn't good for all of us who look Black but at least it focuses on an outlook Black people can experience.

    Using POC is also used to speak over Black voices on Black issues, because it casts an even wider false net of minority solidarity.

    You’re centering black in your definition, and that’s legitimate, but I think that PoC refers to any non-white group.

    But also, black and brown people do not exist in pure isolation from each other in the American context. In almost every urban city, you see them living side by side. Their social realities are adjacent and they have the same oppressor.

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    Mulder

    Nah, Noname expressed herself exactly as she wanted to.

    She specified black to criticize but her "poc book club" she used that term. Call out "poc" media outlets for not reporting it. Black =/= POC.

    LaKeith is a damn clown, and this is coming from someone who historically has s*** on TBC since KTT1.

    i mean she says her book club is for POC because it’s not just for black minorities but others as well, at least from what I know.

    But in this specific situation, she only called out black media outlets cause that’s who was pumping out stories on her recent controversies. I don’t think it would’ve made sense to say “POC media outlets” cause she’s not expecting Latino or other outlets to speak up for her, but she was for black ones.

  • Dec 5, 2019
    Mulder

    POC on it's own is fine but I'm talking about the context in which it is used is in a way to silence black people.

    People will use black when criticizing something but use POC when speaking positively. Black is racially charged, POC is a lot more ambiguous.

    Why did Gina Rodriguez apologize to "POC" for saying nigga?

    People like Gina use PoC to mask their ignorance about the intricacies of our identities. It’s the same logic that asserts all black peoples to be the same, all brown people to be the same... etc.

  • Dec 5, 2019

    Go off then

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    Lil Zay

    i mean she says her book club is for POC because it’s not just for black minorities but others as well, at least from what I know.

    But in this specific situation, she only called out black media outlets cause that’s who was pumping out stories on her recent controversies. I don’t think it would’ve made sense to say “POC media outlets” cause she’s not expecting Latino or other outlets to speak up for her, but she was for black ones.

    She shouldn't expect Black media outlets to report about "POC" things.

    The story was about her not wanting to perform for majority white crowds as a black artist. That's a black issue, of course they will report it. They don't need to report about "POC" book clubs.

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    stingray

    You’re centering black in your definition, and that’s legitimate, but I think that PoC refers to any non-white group.

    But also, black and brown people do not exist in pure isolation from each other in the American context. In almost every urban city, you see them living side by side. Their social realities are adjacent and they have the same oppressor.

    Exaclty. ANY non white group. That's a lot of people with so many variations of different experiences even beyond the complex Black experience.

    And it's used too often to distract from the fact certain things are a Black issue, not a POC issue.

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    Agreed Idk why or who said this was the wave like this aint the 60s dont call me colored

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    Who cares, stop getting offended over trivial s*** like this lol

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    Mulder

    She shouldn't expect Black media outlets to report about "POC" things.

    The story was about her not wanting to perform for majority white crowds as a black artist. That's a black issue, of course they will report it. They don't need to report about "POC" book clubs.

    But she only said non majority white crowds. You assuming she saying she wants majority black crowds. That's your fault. She as a black artist is a PoC and might want to perform for PoC

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    OUT OF ORDER

    Who cares, stop getting offended over trivial s*** like this lol

    It's trivial for you cause your white and these things don't effect you nor have folks around you had to deal with it.

    But this is a topic that exist for other ethnicities and in order for us to have our cultural identities respected we need lines.

    Especially in the car wit racist people using the phrase colored

  • Dec 5, 2019
    raged

    But she only said non majority white crowds. You assuming she saying she wants majority black crowds. That's your fault. She as a black artist is a PoC and might want to perform for PoC

    I didn't say anything about performing for majority black crowds, reread my post.

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    Beck

    Exaclty. ANY non white group. That's a lot of people with so many variations of different experiences even beyond the complex Black experience.

    And it's used too often to distract from the fact certain things are a Black issue, not a POC issue.

    its literally just poc tryna insert themselves in black oppression cuz they "experience racism"

    sorry ling ling but white guys fetishizing you is hardly comparable

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    Beck

    Exaclty. ANY non white group. That's a lot of people with so many variations of different experiences even beyond the complex Black experience.

    And it's used too often to distract from the fact certain things are a Black issue, not a POC issue.

    I agree with that, but I also think it depends on who uses it as well. When you use it to indicate solidarity across different colors, it’s different from Gina throwing it not knowing who her audience is in absolute ignorance

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    Mulder

    Charlamange asked LaKeith a serious question about why his group name was The Moors and instead of answering the question he put on a ignorant cap and proceeded to be an airhead for the rest of the interview.

    And he LICKED. HIS. FEET. FOR. WHITE. TV. This is the same dude who won't speak to other black outlets lmao.

    I see what you mean. It’s like they expect (these two) black outlets to just swoon over them and give constant praise. And if that doesn’t happen then they’ll pull the whole “woke” above them act

    Yet When it’s a white audience lakeith feels he has to act a fool or clown to keep their attention

    I’m not sure if that’s how you see it but yeah

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    Ooo

    I see what you mean. It’s like they expect (these two) black outlets to just swoon over them and give constant praise. And if that doesn’t happen then they’ll pull the whole “woke” above them act

    Yet When it’s a white audience lakeith feels he has to act a fool or clown to keep their attention

    I’m not sure if that’s how you see it but yeah

    Nah, you're definitely on point lol I agree with you 100% here.

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    FREE

    It's trivial for you cause your white and these things don't effect you nor have folks around you had to deal with it.

    But this is a topic that exist for other ethnicities and in order for us to have our cultural identities respected we need lines.

    Especially in the car wit racist people using the phrase colored

    How does being called “poc” instead of “black” affect anyone lol you’re sounding like transgender people who get offended over someone using the wrong pronouns

    there’s real s*** going on in the world that you should care about instead of being labeled as an incorrect word

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    stingray

    I agree with that, but I also think it depends on who uses it as well. When you use it to indicate solidarity across different colors, it’s different from Gina throwing it not knowing who her audience is in absolute ignorance

    A solidarity that is used as a distraction and doesn't always merit Black people any benefits when used to express problems with them, which is where it is increasingly used.

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