CloudyDreams

11mo

Interesting. So essentially a private university would still be free to admit students in this way if they refused any federal assistance they’re currently getting aka basically an impossibility

krishna bound

11mo

If I understand correctly i believe the ruling essentially says it’s okay to give consideration to race for a program so long as it’s not counter-balanced by the lack of another race receiving the same benefit elsewhere? So I.e. if a school does a “black accelerator” program for raised black admissions there essentially has to be Asian/hispanic/white/etc ones as well, they can’t just do it based around differential racial programs individual of each other

krishna bound

11mo

If I understand correctly i believe the ruling essentially says it’s okay to give consideration to race for a program so long as it’s not counter-balanced by the lack of another race receiving the same benefit elsewhere? So I.e. if a school does a “black accelerator” program for raised black admissions there essentially has to be Asian/hispanic/white/etc ones as well, they can’t just do it based around differential racial programs individual of each other

gabapentin

11mo

I don't think so; I believe that would go against what Roberts means when he writes that "race may never be used as a “negative” and that it may not operate as a stereotype."

CloudyDreams

11mo

I’m not sure if this was also related to AA but I know schools were actually denying Asian students who had better resumes than other students of color. Does that go away as well?

gabapentin

11mo

I think at least one racist school tried to do this back in the day for opposite, Caucasian purposes, but didn't succeed

k dog 99

11mo

Do these people make these rulings as confusing as possible on purpose

k dog 99

11mo

Do these people make these rulings as confusing as possible on purpose

k dog 99

11mo

Do these people make these rulings as confusing as possible on purpose

gabapentin

11mo

It will, if I understand this right:

Respondents’ race-based admissions systems also fail to comply with the Equal Protection Clause’s twin commands that race may never be used as a “negative” and that it may not operate as a stereotype. The First Circuit found that Harvard’s consideration of race has resulted in fewer admissions of Asian-American students. Respondents’ assertion that race is never a negative factor in their admissions programs cannot withstand scrutiny. College admissions are zerosum, and a benefit provided to some applicants but not to others necessarily advantages the former at the expense of the latter.

@krishna_bound I think this goes to what you're saying about races equally benefiting from a theoretically allowed positive use of race; basically, Roberts is saying that it's impossible

krishna bound

11mo

to me it reads like they're tiptoing around race neutrality w/o explicitly saying it which is what i don't fully get in the ruling. like if it negatively impacts another based on the trait of race it's obviously an issue due to it being zerosum as they mention, but it doesn't seem like it cares about the racial judgement in and of itself, only how it affects the outcome?

Bazooe

11mo

so we know how the student loan decision is gonna go tomorrow.

Bazooe

11mo

so we know how the student loan decision is gonna go tomorrow.

Bazooe

11mo

so we know how the student loan decision is gonna go tomorrow.

Bazooe

11mo

so we know how the student loan decision is gonna go tomorrow.

k dog 99

11mo

The Court holds that the First Amendment bars Colorado from forcing a website designer to create expressive designs speaking messages with which the designer disagrees.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-476_c185.pdf