OPApr 7, 2021Senor Alejandro15:49
!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STFw4kBEPvg&ab_channel=Hip-HopUniverseSide note: Pac always uses "woo woo woo" like most people use "blah blah blah" and its kinda amazing
Apr 7, 2021·1 replyDAVIDPRepresent, my millennial friend
GOAT year bro, you were a baby when this was going on
As was I
Apr 7, 2021
Bobby_96Lol...this is false. They weren't that radio oriented but the Wu Tang wave was still huge to the point where Method Man was sought out by Pac for a feature.
When you add the combo of 36 Chambers, Tical, OB4CL, Return to the 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Wu Tang Forever, Ironman together on top of their iconic logo/brand and them selling out shows in Japan, they def put the East on the map more than Biggie.
Plus, they stayed true to the East sound with their singles unlike Biggie who jocked the DR sound on his singles while saving the boom bap for the cuts.
If Biggie didn't beef with Pac and die, the Wu would've been seen as a bigger movement in the 90's.
Not entirely true. Pac took a lot of tracks that were basically already finished when he came to Death Row like Got My Mind Made Up. That track originally featured Daz, Kurupt, Redman, Meth, Inspektah Deck and The Lade of Rage and was recorded for the follow up to Dogg Food iirc. I think that album was going to be called Westcoast Aftershock or something like that. They removed Rage and Deck and put a Pac verse on it. You can still hear Deck at the end.
- Apr 7, 2021·edited·1 reply
Need more “this day in hip hop history” threads. Sometimes we forget we made rap what it is today. We need to show more love to the past and the pioneers who paved a way on this site.
- Apr 7, 2021Saint Aquinas
just because they didnt peak didn't mean they weren't already running s*** fam. None of Wu's solo s*** came close to the impact Biggie was having other than Meth who was the most unique to the masses and Biggie was still twice as big. Then add Lil Kim, 112, Faith Evans, and the rest there's no way you can claim wu was a bigger movement. Puff's stamp was huge back then especially since musically, he was running s*** more than anyone in NYC. You can't discredit the r&b acts when back then r&b was Hip-Hop Soul. By the time 95 came around, wu as a group was not the face of NYC b. In fact, you can argue Snoop was played in NYC more than wu back then.
I respect Puffy a lot but Lil Kim was not signed to Bad Boy and Puffy did only produce the song that he was featured on
- Apr 7, 2021·1 replySaint Aquinas
Do niggas not understand how godlike Puffy's family tree was?
He started with Jodeci and Mary.
Got Biggie
Thru Biggie, Kim came. CAMRON was going to be signed under Biggie which gives him dipset.
Mase exists. Through that Big L comes. Bad boys was running s*** that's part of the reason death row was beefing primarily with them and not wu lmao
The reason they beefed together were not about the success. Puffy and Suge were cool until one of Suge's homies got killed at a party or something like that. I can't really recall the whole background but it was personal.
And implying Puffy is responsible for Cams succes is a stretch to me.
- Apr 7, 2021·1 replyKingWavv95pt2
As was I
Nice
Now we know where the 95 comes from
Prez 💎Apr 7, 2021·1 replygood thread
when it comes to who should have won between Big and Nas. I mean, I'm pretty okay with Ready to Die taking the best album award (both are very worthy but RTD had all those hits in addition to being an incredible street album). I would have given Nas best lyricist though.
- Prez 💎Apr 7, 2021·3 replies
this award show was before my time but I'm old enough to remember The Source and was a subscriber to it. it was such an important media outlet to hip hop. it was everything.
we have everything on the internet instantly now but man we lost something when these types of magazines went away. getting that in the mail every month was exciting as hell
- OPApr 7, 2021Prez
this award show was before my time but I'm old enough to remember The Source and was a subscriber to it. it was such an important media outlet to hip hop. it was everything.
we have everything on the internet instantly now but man we lost something when these types of magazines went away. getting that in the mail every month was exciting as hell
Yeah we've gained so much with internet and social media but we've lost arguably even more. The superstar aura/mystery is probably gone as we once knew it. So much access, so much visibility for celebrities these days. Award shows are no big deal these days. Back then you'd only see these guys on MTV music videos and when they were interviewed or went to these award shows s*** was a big deal.
- OPApr 7, 2021Prez
good thread
when it comes to who should have won between Big and Nas. I mean, I'm pretty okay with Ready to Die taking the best album award (both are very worthy but RTD had all those hits in addition to being an incredible street album). I would have given Nas best lyricist though.
Agree with lyricist OTY. Crazy Nas went home with no awards that night
- OPApr 7, 2021Zezima· edited
Need more “this day in hip hop history” threads. Sometimes we forget we made rap what it is today. We need to show more love to the past and the pioneers who paved a way on this site.
Gonna try to make more of these in the coming weeks
- Apr 7, 2021
great thread OP, didn't know this, can't believe an award show would actually be interesting
Apr 7, 2021
RRRBBBNeed more booing at award shows. Might actually watch them
Macklemore and Taylor Swift getting booed at the Grammys when beating Kendrick would've been hilarious
Apr 7, 2021DAVIDPThe South Got SOMETHING to SAY!
- OPApr 7, 2021
Some cool photos of that night
- Apr 7, 2021Sabre
The reason they beefed together were not about the success. Puffy and Suge were cool until one of Suge's homies got killed at a party or something like that. I can't really recall the whole background but it was personal.
And implying Puffy is responsible for Cams succes is a stretch to me.
i said part of the reason
- Apr 7, 2021Prez
this award show was before my time but I'm old enough to remember The Source and was a subscriber to it. it was such an important media outlet to hip hop. it was everything.
we have everything on the internet instantly now but man we lost something when these types of magazines went away. getting that in the mail every month was exciting as hell
the source was its own downfall
Apr 7, 2021·edited·2 repliesEl Niggafr s*** is crazy to think about. You just dropped maybe the greatest rap album ever and a year later some fat dude is taking over your city and beating you out for awards
crazyIllmatic & even reasonable doubt were not poppin the first or two years. They were ignored & retroactively loved after both of their sophomores blew them up, funnily enough their sophomores are considered more pop/mainstream focused.
As they say in the article or quests intervew, illmatic was still considered underground for the time.
Nas & even Jay were heavily ignored on a masses scale with their debut, iirc it took over a year to go gold for both, which probably led them down the way they did & why "hardcore fans" of the time hated vol. 1 & iww.
Sad that an artist at their most sincere & inspired is what usually gets sidelined, even back then.
- Apr 8, 2021DAVIDP
Nice
Now we know where the 95 comes from
You see it
- OPApr 8, 2021Water Giver
Illmatic & even reasonable doubt were not poppin the first or two years. They were ignored & retroactively loved after both of their sophomores blew them up, funnily enough their sophomores are considered more pop/mainstream focused.
As they say in the article or quests intervew, illmatic was still considered underground for the time.
Nas & even Jay were heavily ignored on a masses scale with their debut, iirc it took over a year to go gold for both, which probably led them down the way they did & why "hardcore fans" of the time hated vol. 1 & iww.
Sad that an artist at their most sincere & inspired is what usually gets sidelined, even back then.
Its crazy that that grimy, dark NY sound that a lot of people associate with classic hip hop didnt really last too long. Early 90s was full of that sound but then BIG came in and the East was tryna keep up with the Wests popularity; by the mid 90s it shifted to a more flamboyant, R&Besque rap that eventually led to the jiggy era. I wonder what would've happened if it continued down that "underground" sound path.
Apr 11, 2021
Bo CeephusSame breh. I was literally just out the p**** the day before this. I remember watching this with a cigar in my hand and my diaper full
U gunna talk about your own mother like this
Apr 11, 2021award shows are bullshit but this might be the only one where it really captured the greatness of what genre was at that point. so many artists there in there prime.
- Apr 11, 2021·2 replies
