Rhyme - specifically end rhyme - defines and shapes lyrics more than any other element of poetry. In my opinion this means that the way rhyme can help communicate the intended meaning and style of a line is the foremost important aspect of lyricism
This trumps subject matter, wordplay and everything else
Thread idea solid, needs bolded titles and paragraph breaks tho
didn't know how to do bold my bad
I disagree
I Lowkey do too I've been thinking about this like s*** I must be wrong cus idk what izaya tiji b talking about but he fire
level 9000: kenrick lamar :
here some taste of his excellent story capabilities in writing:
"Backbone don't exist, born outside a jellyfish, I gauge"
@op I'd argue that Kendrick is at level 5, specifically with DAMN and Mr Morale
No doubt Kendrick can write on level 5 at will he's truly a beast
If that's ur description of level 5 then cole would be in level 5 instead 4 just off 4yeo
Kendrick too for gkmc/tpab
I gotta think about this one
Put some mainstream artists into each category
Yea I'll try to update real quickly with more artists
Here, freak it like this. The bolded happens when you put a hashtag followed by a space:
Long read warning
I was thinking about writing in music, and I started to realize everything is about themes . What really makes writing captivating is this eternal struggle to correlate words with meaning. How you use your words to reach this infinitely small thing called meaning is what makes your writing interesting.
This is hard to define, but basically level one writing is when you literally have no meaning to your words. This creates a sense of disorientation that ultimately provides little to nothing of value to the listener. Level 1 is like some random 11 year old freestyling acapella, it's hard to listen to because it is inherently disorienting.
Your brain literally quits trying to make sense of the words. This is true for some lil b songs and other artists like viper.
Level 2's shining example is lil pump. This is writing where there IS a theme, there IS meaning, however, it is delivered in such a simple fashion that it lacks all nuance. These are your party records from LMFAO or Chainsmokers. You can find success writing on this level however it is inherently shallow.
Also at this level the themes are generally base and do not require much insight to fully appreciate.
At level 3 you've finally become a writer of sorts. You can string together words well enough for someone to listen and not only know what you're trying to say, but also appreciate your usage of literary devices. This term "literary devices" is very important from here on, because now we are using metaphors, a***ogies, and other tools to make our writing more interesting. Level three is the industry standard, it's using enough skill to convey meaning that the words become interesting.
However, level 3 writers are plagued with inconsistency or an inability to focus on themes. Level 3 writing is still too simplistic to be regarded as exceptional, or too unfocused to be digested easily. Many rappers are on this level especially talented yet new artists. My example here is Dababy (or slump6s if ur into that scene)
I call level four the story teller because level four writers are experts at correlating words with meaning. Every bar has something to do with a story or theme presented. Level 4 writers are skilled enough to be considered exceptional by most people. This level requires a lot of skill to achieve and artists like j Cole and Drake live here.
There are deficiencies in level 4 writing but they're hard to notice unless you are familiar with extremely good writing. The key here is relating your words to a theme or multiple themes even. If you can captivate listeners with a continuous storyline then you've reached level 4.
To be a level 5 writer you have to go beyond storytelling, you have to create entire projects that revolve around interesting themes WITHOUT making it obvious to the listener what your exactly trying to say. Lupe fiasco is my example for a level 5 writer. Lupe can create an entire album that's telling one long story, and the entire time you have no clue that he's really telling one story.
This works so well because there are so many layers of meaning behind the words that every line has multiple meanings. A scientist has to decipher what you're really saying. All while coming across so coherently that you enjoy the lyrics even if you don't understand the full meaning
I made this post to sort of organize my thoughts. Had this idea earlier and I wanted to flesh it out into words. Hope someone finds this interesting. Would say more but I gotta run
I also don’t think these are levels, they’re just styles. Respectable “style” is too often correlated with substance in hiphop lyricism and art in general
Put some mainstream artists into each category
Lil Baby, NoCap, Youngboy are lvl 4
Comparing rappers to hoopers is more thoughtful discourse than this nut ass take
Do u have an opinion on writing in music?
I think Nas would be a high level 4, 3K would be level 5, Rocky would be level 3, those immediately jumped to mind
Rocky is at least level 4… a.L.L.a was teetering on five
Wht type of question is this bro
Idk tbh I been thinking about this thread and the premise that everything is based around connecting to a theme is flawed. I think that's half of the picture. Theres something to be said for those who simply are good at saying clever s***. No real deeper meaning just bars like lil Wayne or thug. Like it might be about killing people or selling d**** but it's still amazing
I gotta think about how to reformulate it this s***
I also don’t think these are levels, they’re just styles. Respectable “style” is too often correlated with substance in hiphop lyricism and art in general
Yea ultimately this is all subjective so ur right, it's just different approaches
I made this because I noticed deficits in my own writing. I'd say cool s*** but it has no meaning. That's why I thought this meaning based hierarchy made sense. I hope others find some value here but I don't propose any of this as some sort of objective classification system which is actually dangerous
Also thanks for reformatting my post, I'm kinda busy rn but I'll try to fix it soon
Idk tbh I been thinking about this thread and the premise that everything is based around connecting to a theme is flawed. I think that's half of the picture. Theres something to be said for those who simply are good at saying clever s***. No real deeper meaning just bars like lil Wayne or thug. Like it might be about killing people or selling d**** but it's still amazing
I gotta think about how to reformulate it this s***
The problem is ur trying to reduce an incredibly nuanced, subjective form of expression & shoehorn it into a quantifiable tier system