So its fine if a country is actively performing human rights violations? Gotta respect it?

When Germany was gassing Jewish people, minorities, and disabled you’d be like “don’t get involved, it’s their right as a country”

Nobody say anything. Throwing LGBT people off roofs is just part of the religion. Respect it.

Head ass.

Clearly, this journalist wasn’t assassinated. They misdiagnosed cardiac ischemia as bronchitis, which he complained about for a week, and eventually died from cardiac arrest due to lack of proper medical attention.

But, regardless of that, some people have the courage to stand on human rights and principles even at the risk of death. Just cause some of y’all p**** af with no morals (dOnT pOkE tHe bEaR) doesn’t mean we all are.

Head ass.

my biggest criticism about the critique qatar is receiving is that there seems to be less focus on the migrant worker issue, which is the larger issue imo

Yea, which is exactly why coming to America and demanding the people start following Sharia law would be ridiculous. If you are in western lands you follow western laws, if you are in Muslim lands you follow Muslim laws. You don’t get to go to Muslim lands and demand they follow YOUR rules, you have no right. The arrogance is disgusting.

Sure. Just remember that there are consequences for your bigotry too. Don't you literally live in America?

If that's the case, then when I say I wouldn't want a homophobe around my community that applies directly to you. I don't see how Muslim lands come into the picture here.

Heart attack guns are real

Be careful out there

Yes I live in the United States, and I abide by American laws because I know imposing my Muslim values on a western nation would be ridiculous. I know that if I married multiple women here I would be arrested, so I don’t marry multiple women even if it’s allowed in my religion. You dogs can’t get the colonialist idea that you can tell other people what to believe and how to run their country out of your heads.

Book a flight and force the Qataris to change their ways yourself if you’re so pressed vro www.qatarairways.com show the internet you not a c***oris vro

"I don't think criticism of a foreign country should be about changing things abroad, which is a hopeless battle anyways. I think it's about coming to a consensus within your community about right and wrong."

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

That sentence is pure idealist nonsense that has no place in a realistic discussion. It’s barely worth a response

You either don't understand what idealism is or are misapplying it to sound smarter. When I use the word 'criticism', I mean discussion between regular people like us, not the narratives that state entities construct to manipulate geopolitics.

I'm pretty sure we're talking about a KTT thread here, not the United States using human rights as an excuse to propagate imperialism. These are separate issues.

Actually, that's your entire problem. You have a (valid) narrative in your head about America, but you're incapable of thinking critically so you apply it everywhere instead of forming original thoughts. Me commenting that homophobia in Qatar is bad =/= imperialism.

No, you wouldn’t be arrested for marrying multiple women. You just legally can’t have more than one marriage license. A piece of paper. And even if you attempted, you still wouldn’t get arrested, it would just be annulled. You are free to live with 20 wives in your house and nobody gives a s***.

You don’t get to hide behind “sharia law” and “religion” when it comes to the systematic oppression and murder of people. We all have a right as humans to point out and try to stop other humans suffering.

China definitely did not get the same typa backlash tho

The criticism Qatar gets in a vacuum is mostly valid, but there are a lot of westerners who criticize Qatar more than they would otherwise because of islamophobia

What you fail to realize is that the only reason that Qatar is being criticized by people like you for “human rights abuses” that are present in essentially all non western nations is because of geopolitical reasons. The Middle East and Muslims are the other, so these things are only brought up when they do it. Were you and your like on a crusade against “homophobia” when Russia hosted the World Cup? Will you campaign against the next World Cup in America because of racism or gun laws?

What you don't understand is that the motivation behind a criticism does not have any effect on its truth.

Now, the motivation behind a criticism might have an effect on how that criticism is deployed in the world of politics, but again that is a completely tangential discussion to what you came in here complaining about.

I agree I was just pointing it out because they were saying no backlash happened around these events and that's not true

There's been a ton of backlash against Russia for homophobia

It's lame when people can't stand on the things they say so they have to twist their words into something more defensible and 'intelligent'.

This guy came in here yelling about how Western dogs can't tell him that homophobia is bad, but now suddenly I'm getting a lecture from Jean Bricmont

Five days before his death, Wahl wrote:

“My body finally broke down on me. Three weeks of little sleep, high stress and lots of work can do that to you. What had been a cold over the last 10 days turned into something more severe on the night of the USA-Netherlands game, and I could feel my upper chest take on a new level of pressure and discomfort. I didn’t have Covid (I test regularly here), but I went into the medical clinic at the main media center today, and they said I probably have bronchitis. They gave me a course of antibiotics and some heavy-duty cough syrup, and I’m already feeling a bit better just a few hours later. But still: No bueno.”

You called my religion stupid and I simply retaliated. Don’t make yourself into a victim that your not.

So is Qatar's use of modern slavery ok?

Nope, their working conditions are not ok. Although to be fair, being paid low wages isn’t slavery

Some Nepalese working at Lusail City tell desperate stories. They are saddled with huge debts they are paying back at interest rates of up to 36%, yet say they are forced to work without pay.

“The company has kept two months’ salary from each of us to stop us running away,” said one man who gave his name as SBD and who works at the Lusail City marina. SBD said he was employed by a subcontractor that supplies labourers for the project. Some workers say their subcontrator has confiscated their passports and refused to issue the ID cards they are entitled to under Qatari law. “Our manager always promises he’ll issue our cards ‘next week’,” added a scaffolder who said he had worked in Qatar for two years without being given an ID card.

Without official documentation, migrant workers are in effect reduced to the status of illegal aliens, often unable to leave their place of work without fear of arrest and not entitled to any legal protection. Under the state-run kafala sponsorship system, workers are also unable to change jobs or leave the country without their sponsor company’s permission.

A third worker, who was equally reluctant to give his name for fear of reprisal, added: “We’d like to leave, but the company won’t let us. If we run away, we become illegal and that makes it hard to find another job. The police could catch us at any time and send us back home. We can’t get a resident permit if we leave.”

Other workers said they were forced to work long hours in temperatures of up to 50C (122F) without access to drinking water.

theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatars-world-cup-slaves

If this is all true, then it is morally wrong.

Glad we stand together on this