Kr0niic ☘️Sep 9, 2023·1 reply
SlamGodTLOU 2 s***s on 1 in every single way
One of the best stories ever crafted period
Pacing and story wise and gameplay wise
Absolutely yes!
Sep 9, 2023
OnyxShine9Nah its the same suspects coming out in DROVES anytime someone challenges the notion of this damn game not being the greatest thing since sliced bread :jordansmile: without fail
Druckman really got you boys on payroll huh cause yall really dont play about this game 
@Kr0niic @Drezo @Josuke @Jamian_Minato I have literally been with Joel since the dawn of infection and death of his first child until his early seniority and seen Ellie go from having nobody to being a provider for her wife and child plagued by PTSD after she tried to forget... and did right by Abby where she did wrong by Joel (but shes evil? lol)
Look I'm not turning my back on those two idc who they killed nobody in that world has clean hands abby has 100% killed someones parents or children too so now what
You cant buy my loyalty with a second protag-and-junior-sidekick journey and a few flashy set pieces. I didnt need to that I needed to see Abby have some remorse. she didnt even need to say sorry, just something more explicit than the game supposedly shows us. f*** it maybe she didnt even need to be remorseful but what I NEEDED to see was her and ellie TALK through their differences druckman gave them both the same idiot-treament they did with Batman and Superman where they did everything but talk about it. they take the less is more approach and go way too far with itniggas really be like "uh no actually youre wrong and abbyboo did nothing wrong loser 🤓"
I give you this though the same way it ends with a Joel flashback with Ellie there kind of needed to be a strong abby and ellie talking moment about the pain we know they had both seen as the player. They don't know that though. They have limited knowledge of each others perspectives. The ending feels like it missed that cathartic moment
- Sep 9, 2023
NuteWhy we talking about this when Factions can’t even come out lol
this is actually real
- Sep 9, 2023
PIMPNeed a good game
Theres only a handful of good games
People are just more tolerating of the f***ery
thats real
- Sep 9, 2023
NeonNigga23As long as they don’t force me to kill dogs in the gameplay and then make me feel bad for killing the same dogs in the story then I’m down
yeah there are too many moments in entire of game of "look what you did you love the violence" when it often forces you to do so. Stealth is only so fun in the game or rewarding. Love me some arrows though
- Sep 9, 2023·1 reply
EverythingPart 2 was the best stealth action gameplay in any game not named MGS5. By far.
MGS3
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Hitman?are you serious?
- Sep 9, 2023·1 reply
ILoveCheeseCakeyeah no to me the game is all about breaking the cycle of endless revenge and violence, by the end of the game abby had accepted that it wasn’t doing anything but causing them both pain while ellie still hadn’t accepted it so she goes to santa barbra. The game uses the switch between ellie and abby sections as a catalyst to show that they’ve both done horrible things to each other and are hurting from the people they’ve lost, I don’t think the games trying to make you sympathize with abby at all it’s just showing her point of view and you can choose if you want to like her or not. There doesn’t need to be a talk between them at the end for closure because by the final joel cutscene ellie’s already realized herself that she’s gone to far for pointless revenge that’s done nothing but hurt her and made her family leave her.
it’s not a airtight story like the first game but in my opinion they took a risk and it’s one of the most interesting and unique directions they could’ve took a sequel in and i’m sure neil won’t disappoint with pt.3
I mean Ellie putting a knife to a kids throat then engaging in a fight to the death to get to that point was a little bit overkill to me
- Sep 9, 2023Kr0niic
Pacing and story wise and gameplay wise
Absolutely yes!
Happy Saturday brother Kroniic
- Sep 9, 2023
The side characters lacking depth is why I think some are more critical of the main plot line and characters because even more than 1 they are forced to carry all the weight
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
I mean Ellie putting a knife to a kids throat then engaging in a fight to the death to get to that point was a little bit overkill to me
that’s what i’m saying in the post, she’s so blinded by hatred and revenge she’s willing to go that far (while basically dying herself) just to kill two people who can barely walk because of what Abby did to joel and her friends. I don’t think the games trying to show Ellie as a good person at all, especially towards the end.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyILoveCheeseCake
that’s what i’m saying in the post, she’s so blinded by hatred and revenge she’s willing to go that far (while basically dying herself) just to kill two people who can barely walk because of what Abby did to joel and her friends. I don’t think the games trying to show Ellie as a good person at all, especially towards the end.
I know the game isnt trying to show Ellie as a good person at all. I think having her kill a pregnant woman have a moment of clarity then chill on a farm. Then Tommy begs her and ptsd begs her to murder again then kill slavers just for a chance to kill abby and a child again is the part thats eye roll inducing. For me. If it slaps and connects for others that is dope. Also in general how she talks to Dina beginning of the game is just overkill as well. You can show her love of Joel and quest for revenge without showing her as unlikable as a character and such a leap from an ellie with a soul as they did. I get she kind of loses her soul the moment she is forced to watch Joel die. But when she knows he murdered people the entirety of the game and had a hint end of game 1 . It's always a possibility.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
I know the game isnt trying to show Ellie as a good person at all. I think having her kill a pregnant woman have a moment of clarity then chill on a farm. Then Tommy begs her and ptsd begs her to murder again then kill slavers just for a chance to kill abby and a child again is the part thats eye roll inducing. For me. If it slaps and connects for others that is dope. Also in general how she talks to Dina beginning of the game is just overkill as well. You can show her love of Joel and quest for revenge without showing her as unlikable as a character and such a leap from an ellie with a soul as they did. I get she kind of loses her soul the moment she is forced to watch Joel die. But when she knows he murdered people the entirety of the game and had a hint end of game 1 . It's always a possibility.
different strokes for different folks brother I thought it was pretty good and an interesting way to wrap up
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
MGS3
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Hitman?are you serious?
The gameplay in tlou2 feels way better than all those lol. S*** aint even close
especially mgs3 which feels clunky af compared to 5 and tlou2. Hitman is cool as a sandbox but similarly feels incredibly clunky
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyILoveCheeseCake
different strokes for different folks brother I thought it was pretty good and an interesting way to wrap up
yeah I dont hate it. Tommy plot armor being what drags her back in is something I don't necessarily love but I get it did what it had to do.
What they do for 3 though who knows
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyEverything
The gameplay in tlou2 feels way better than all those lol. S*** aint even close
especially mgs3 which feels clunky af compared to 5 and tlou2. Hitman is cool as a sandbox but similarly feels incredibly clunky
stealth mechanics they all have more to them than 2 . Of course last of us 2 feels better overall but mechanically this isn't like a deep stealth game that is definitely something it can and likely will improve on for 3
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
stealth mechanics they all have more to them than 2 . Of course last of us 2 feels better overall but mechanically this isn't like a deep stealth game that is definitely something it can and likely will improve on for 3
Having more =/= being better.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyEverything
Having more =/= being better.
to truly be called a STEALTH game you can't have the bare minimum of stealth mechanics even if you are talking stealth action.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
to truly be called a STEALTH game you can't have the bare minimum of stealth mechanics even if you are talking stealth action.
Says who lol? We got stealth action genre purists now like we got JRPG ones?
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyEverything
Says who lol? We got stealth action genre purists now like we got JRPG ones?
I am saying if you are going to compare it to the top stealth games of all time and say "yeah this plays better" its a tough comparison when in those other games if you play like you do in last of us 2 you would fail the mission entirely.
does having a silenced pistol and some tall grass really make something have enough stealth to compare it to all stealth games?
I am asking
A game where in 2020 you consider a stealth game but you cant knock people out
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
yeah I dont hate it. Tommy plot armor being what drags her back in is something I don't necessarily love but I get it did what it had to do.
What they do for 3 though who knows
yeah i’ll agree the plot armor is kinda ridiculous in such a grounded game, hopefully whatever happens in 3 is far removed from ellie and abby and at most they show up as minor characters/mentions. I really want new stories in the world to be shown
- Sep 9, 2023
Mechanically Hitman clears stealth wise and its not even close. If you want to murder a bunch of people yes Last of us is top of its class but to act like last of us 2 is a better stealth game than actual stealth games is absurd
- Sep 9, 2023ILoveCheeseCake
yeah i’ll agree the plot armor is kinda ridiculous in such a grounded game, hopefully whatever happens in 3 is far removed from ellie and abby and at most they show up as minor characters/mentions. I really want new stories in the world to be shown
We are on same page then I want new stories in the world. You can still hone it in on the cure or fireflies but playing as Ellie or being violent as ellie again would most likely defeat the point of everything we just saw
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
Joel is still a main character in some ways to me in Last of Us 2,but I know what you mean since he is only so playable. Thanks for having a constructive discussion about it. Again I get you and what you are saying is right but the Abby friends story was all just okay they are only given so much same as Dina jesse. Where if they were given a little more it would all land better for me personally. Joel and Ellie are only so interesting to me. So when Last of Us 2 places Ellie and Abby against each other but their parallels are too literal to the point of both having a pregnant friend, love triangle and in Abby case her having a child with her akin to Joel it feels like overkill.
Tommy plot armor bothers me that much there is 0 reason he should make it to the ending and be goading Ellie to go back on this quest when he magically escapes death so much. I think mileage will 100% vary. Some of us didn't care what happened to Ellie or if Ellie got their revenge because Joel brutally murdered people and risking death across the country didn't click for us. I get it though . Parts of the story are beautiful and other parts didn't click at all.
I’ll agree that Abby’s friends aren’t given a lot of depth but they do get an arc that makes you understand the tension between them and I think their development does a lot to strengthen Abby as a character and I do feel while there are some obvious parallels between her and Ellie, those details also showcase her as her own distinct character and she gets a proper arc that differs from Ellie’s even by the end. I don’t think it’s like other revenge tales where you follow a main character hunting down the enemy only to realize they’re alike to spell out a cycle of revenge theme because you play as Abby and she has a totally different story with different struggles and relationships to navigate. So by the end, both characters feel real and while there’s similarities, there’s also a number of differences so it never felt too literal or tacky to me. The fight between them was so intense for me and hard to play because I had grown very attached to all the characters (also Ellie and Dina’s relationship is point blank one of the best depictions of lesbian love I’ve ever seen in an artistic medium because it doesn’t bring attention to their sexuality like so many other stories but rather just focuses on their chemistry and their care and attraction to one another)
Idk, I think the story rejects plot armor pretty outright that I didn’t mind Tommy surviving a bullet to the head. It’s not like people haven’t survived gunshots like that in real life.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyHaroldsChicken
I am saying if you are going to compare it to the top stealth games of all time and say "yeah this plays better" its a tough comparison when in those other games if you play like you do in last of us 2 you would fail the mission entirely.
does having a silenced pistol and some tall grass really make something have enough stealth to compare it to all stealth games?
I am asking
A game where in 2020 you consider a stealth game but you cant knock people out
You would fail the mission entirely because those games have a different approach to stealth/stealth action than TLOU2. Even then it's weird to bring up MGS3 in this context (and 4 and 5, really) when in those games you absolutely can play the same way you do in tlou2 and be just fine lol. In 5 you can go guns out blazing with a damn RPG
Just cuz it was done a certain way with XYZ game doesn't eliminate alternative approaches. Why is knocking people out a prerequisite to being a stealth game lol? Ellie is a murderer she not here to play around.
- Sep 9, 2023·1 replyEverything
You would fail the mission entirely because those games have a different approach to stealth/stealth action than TLOU2. Even then it's weird to bring up MGS3 in this context (and 4 and 5, really) when in those games you absolutely can play the same way you do in tlou2 and be just fine lol. In 5 you can go guns out blazing with a damn RPG
Just cuz it was done a certain way with XYZ game doesn't eliminate alternative approaches. Why is knocking people out a prerequisite to being a stealth game lol? Ellie is a murderer she not here to play around.
You literally brought up MGS V
Play MGS3 on the collection and murder everyone and tell me it isn't more difficult often from alarms and how much chaos is caused . Of course you can but the game is inherently designed where that is not the purpose. Of course Chaos Theory, Hitman and MGSV feel clunky they aren't doing expensive animations nor are they trying to encourage you to kill as many people throughout the course of the game. Their focus is using violence when needed rather than solution for so much . They aren't trying to give the player the same feeling. Its different aims. They don't really need to be compared in that sense
As I said and was saying I hope last of us 3 improves stealth even more. 2 improved steatlh from 1 quite a bit. But no one in Hell am I going to compare it to the top stealth games of all time with a straight face