They can put you onto to something that you probably wouldn’t have experienced on your own terms or an algorithm wouldn’t have offered to you because of prior listening habits

But I guess it can also go both ways

Glad we found common ground

This rhetoric is dangerous tho. I see the goal post moving but for example
If fantano was to hate black people, would you still respect his opinion on black artists? Change the reviewer and race its still a dangerous rhetoric

I doubt that most people listen or read reviews in order to form their own opinion, but rather to see someone else's point of view on music, TV shows or film. maybe there's something you missed on first listen/watch, etc. now, if you're basing your music taste based on a reviewer's personal choice, then that's on you. I sense a lot of people on KTT like and dislike certain albums because Fantano feels some type of way about it, for example.

Great question. If Fantano followed the criteria I've set itt and hated black people, there wouldn't be a need to respect his opinion: he would say 'I hate black people' and it would be over. It's only if Fantano hates black people and pretends to not hate black people--if he seeks some pretentious field of unbias--that his hatred becomes hidden, that everyone who reads his reviews become confused, that we are all worse off.

No you need some random nerd to tell you what’s ok to like it’s the rules bruh

I petsonally am grateful for critics so I dont waste 2 hours of my life watching a movie like Cats

I can see what your argument is now. Overt hate is always better than covert hate, agree on that point specifically

Too many critics hide their feelings in 'objective' language, i.e., they lie. Overt/covert racism is a fantastic comparison. Phrases like 'stop and frisk' gaslight language and deceive us. Only to the extent a critic embraces their bias--embraces who they uniquely are--can they contribute something novel and beautiful.

Abso-fu#king-lutely
Yeah man you threading now
I didnt know you was that deep but sometimes a healthy debate is needed

I agree on your point however through this critic reviews we aren't really engaging with them is the thing. Like a "professional critic" just gives their view and there's no real discussion about it. There's no interaction.

Pretty much I agree with you, and why I prefer just engaging with others about in person or on a forum like this. In this day and age, professional critics are kinda obsolete since we have so much access to content we can just check for ourselves "free" on music/television/film streaming stuff.

Will easily be a 9 for critics all the music he makes is just for them

rym users generally cant be trusted. they made 3 radiohead albums in the top 10 happen.

Bro i’m convinced 90% of the niggas spamming threads talkin bout “cacs” are just white kids tryna fit in

i think i agree w/ what op is sayin, but i'd phrase it as "the more honest/aware a critic is bout their biases the better", not just the more biased

cus fantano isn't unbiased like OP was sayin on page 2, he def is really biased, however I think OP was tryn to say that that fantano attempts to present himself as unbiased and objective when instead he just covers his biases in language that attempts to represent some sort of objective criticism. it's using the form of logic n reason to make his argument sound more intelligent and grounded than it really is, and in that sense i agree w/ OP again

i don't know why people can't just take it for what it is

Your opinion is the most important but you should probably also pay attention to those who are very knowledgable in the history and progression of various art forms and how they a***yze/contextualize any given piece of art

Fantano is NOT a critic man He's a white dude who makes videos online about what he's f***ing with or not. That's not a critic, just a musichead people pay attention to

I think in music especially our subjective experiences get in the way of our opinion. Like, I could tell you exactly where I was when Astroworld dropped and I heard Stargazing for the first time. And I love that album. Someone else who might not have a memory like that though may not fw that album as much as I do. The way I see it, that makes it VERY hard to objectively contextualize a piece of music. I’m not saying critics aren’t good at that but most of the time they got something else to say too.

Right. I liked how music/film magazines used to publish people's reactions writing in and disagreeing with a particular review, but now, people just reply on Twitter. It's more democratic. Comment sections on reviews aren't really a thing anymore which is a shame. Reviews shouldn't be closed off for discussion to the public that you're writing towards.

Love reviews with content like that. 'I was in a desert when I heard this album, I saw this, felt that...' Music is a mystery. Every combo of experiences matter. I have my experiences and I know who I am, but I don't know everything: if you share yours, I'll learn something new.

That is so true. Many people follow critics because their voices are consistently correct for a large audience. Fantano is no different from any other written critic in that regard.

No he is even better because it is not a website writing the review but a person. People are drawn to fantanos opinion and develop trust in him.

Not everyone wants to listen to every music out there but when fantano gives something a 9 I sure as hell check it out. If he gives a 3 I wont even bother. Saves time and made me happier as a music listener

He changed how reviews are. Before, people see a score and also know who's making the reviews a d the writing. The way the reviewer used words is what is the fun, to see what they gained from the record.

Fantano never really makes these off the cuff remarks, or witty comments, just very dry, matter of fact responses with no fun and the fact the audience has to watch a man talk for 10 minutes when it can be summed in 4 paragraphs is a problem.

Video game reviews benefit from this, but film, music don't. But hell, if it can get them to see the man behind the camera, it suggest some form of openness, a forum to see what he believes that everyone wants.

Exactly. Music is more than music. It should make you feel something. I would rather hear how a critic felt listening to something than whether or not they found a certain chord progression or key change appropriate.