I petsonally am grateful for critics so I dont waste 2 hours of my life watching a movie like Cats

Too many critics hide their feelings in 'objective' language, i.e., they lie. Overt/covert racism is a fantastic comparison. Phrases like 'stop and frisk' gaslight language and deceive us. Only to the extent a critic embraces their bias--embraces who they uniquely are--can they contribute something novel and beautiful.

I agree on your point however through this critic reviews we aren't really engaging with them is the thing. Like a "professional critic" just gives their view and there's no real discussion about it. There's no interaction.

Pretty much I agree with you, and why I prefer just engaging with others about in person or on a forum like this. In this day and age, professional critics are kinda obsolete since we have so much access to content we can just check for ourselves "free" on music/television/film streaming stuff.

Will easily be a 9 for critics all the music he makes is just for them

rym users generally cant be trusted. they made 3 radiohead albums in the top 10 happen.

Bro i’m convinced 90% of the niggas spamming threads talkin bout “cacs” are just white kids tryna fit in

i think i agree w/ what op is sayin, but i'd phrase it as "the more honest/aware a critic is bout their biases the better", not just the more biased

cus fantano isn't unbiased like OP was sayin on page 2, he def is really biased, however I think OP was tryn to say that that fantano attempts to present himself as unbiased and objective when instead he just covers his biases in language that attempts to represent some sort of objective criticism. it's using the form of logic n reason to make his argument sound more intelligent and grounded than it really is, and in that sense i agree w/ OP again

i don't know why people can't just take it for what it is

Your opinion is the most important but you should probably also pay attention to those who are very knowledgable in the history and progression of various art forms and how they a***yze/contextualize any given piece of art

Fantano is NOT a critic man He's a white dude who makes videos online about what he's f***ing with or not. That's not a critic, just a musichead people pay attention to

I think in music especially our subjective experiences get in the way of our opinion. Like, I could tell you exactly where I was when Astroworld dropped and I heard Stargazing for the first time. And I love that album. Someone else who might not have a memory like that though may not fw that album as much as I do. The way I see it, that makes it VERY hard to objectively contextualize a piece of music. I’m not saying critics aren’t good at that but most of the time they got something else to say too.

Right. I liked how music/film magazines used to publish people's reactions writing in and disagreeing with a particular review, but now, people just reply on Twitter. It's more democratic. Comment sections on reviews aren't really a thing anymore which is a shame. Reviews shouldn't be closed off for discussion to the public that you're writing towards.

Love reviews with content like that. 'I was in a desert when I heard this album, I saw this, felt that...' Music is a mystery. Every combo of experiences matter. I have my experiences and I know who I am, but I don't know everything: if you share yours, I'll learn something new.

That is so true. Many people follow critics because their voices are consistently correct for a large audience. Fantano is no different from any other written critic in that regard.

No he is even better because it is not a website writing the review but a person. People are drawn to fantanos opinion and develop trust in him.

Not everyone wants to listen to every music out there but when fantano gives something a 9 I sure as hell check it out. If he gives a 3 I wont even bother. Saves time and made me happier as a music listener

He changed how reviews are. Before, people see a score and also know who's making the reviews a d the writing. The way the reviewer used words is what is the fun, to see what they gained from the record.

Fantano never really makes these off the cuff remarks, or witty comments, just very dry, matter of fact responses with no fun and the fact the audience has to watch a man talk for 10 minutes when it can be summed in 4 paragraphs is a problem.

Video game reviews benefit from this, but film, music don't. But hell, if it can get them to see the man behind the camera, it suggest some form of openness, a forum to see what he believes that everyone wants.

Exactly. Music is more than music. It should make you feel something. I would rather hear how a critic felt listening to something than whether or not they found a certain chord progression or key change appropriate.

Reviews r only useful if you searching for new content

So you've actually listened to a project because the review was good? The other part i agree with.

how do you treat restaurant reviews? Do they determine your outlook of the restaurant from the get go, or do they give you a sense of what you’re getting into before you go there, experience it, and form your own opinion?

In the same way as music reviewers, these are people who are invested heavy into their critical field, and are probably far more thorough in their review than you because they’re publishing it for casuals like you. Because of that, they can reveal new insights to you as a casual restaurant goer.

However, if you’re invested in the food experience yourself, you’re gonna find yourself disagreeing with reviewers. Some don’t get the culture of the place they’re eating at for some reason. They seem silly.

It’s the same way for music reviews. It should be understood that these reviews appeal far more to those who aren’t as versed in music while sometimes giving more hardcore fans like ourselves tidbits of info. There are gonna be reviewers who are simply outsiders to the culture that their food/music encompasses, and you may not be an outsider and look at their view in disdain, but at the end of the day it’s another reviewer.

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I agree completely with what you said about word choice. The tone of a review says a lot about what emotions the art made the critic feel. Hate how fantano just sits in his room looking at the camera speaking in the most monotone way he can. I think fantano is really good at sounding disappointed and not much else.

I don’t think video game reviews benefit from being more technical though. I think we all remember IGN’s famous Pokémon ORAS review where the reviewer deducted points because he thought there was “too much water”. In terms of OPs argument, that was a phenomenal review because the critic said exactly what he didn’t like about the game. Obviously it had impacted his experience and it would’ve been a bad review if he had just lied about disliking something else.

I don’t agree. Music reviewers don’t necessarily have to be into music like that honestly. It’s just a job at the end of the day, the best And most immersed don’t always get the job.

And it depends on review type. “Casuals” as you say love scores and don’t really care about the review. Can guarantee if fantano stopped rating projects people would go ballistic and even stop watching because they don’t care about the review just the score. Chris stuckkmann didn’t it (because he wants to get in the film industry and didn’t want to “offend” anyone he may possibly work with) and fans killed him for it. He brought back scores but they’re obviously heavily biased now and I’m sure he dosent say that anymore. Which is what op is talking about I believe.

Yes I’ve listened to some music before because it had good reviews. Did it affect my opinion? No

Video game reviews have the chance to show the audience exactly what they feeling or how the game plays. The pokemin reviewer complained about a aesthetic choice that was suppose to tie in with rhe game's legendary pokemon and how the water can flood the entire country or have a drought so severe, it emptied the land. For the reviewer to make that comment as a serious negative made him lose all credibility.

You can say you don't like something, but even those who dislike something can find merit in it. If christgau can give radiohead an A on kid A while still giving them s***, makes me give them respect