etant

6y

I see where you going with this, we have to realize that policy makers are extremely slow at breaking up monopolies, think about how we haven't broken up google or facebook or amazon. When do you think they will start to care about music. Although the FTC might stop spottily from acquiring Warner music for example.

As regards to your other post, lets not forget that spotify's market is 35B while warner music 13B, and spotify has the upper hand, if those big labels dont lease their music spotify, they are going to lose a lot of money.

A more interesting question is how can they monetize those exclusive content. For example for podcast, instead of podcaster talking about an ad, spotify could instead personalize the ad for each listener, since they already know their email address and what they listen to. This could increase the value for each of those ads thus increasing value of the company, but I am not so sure about the exclusive music route, other than attracting more people to the platform. Although one thing is for certain, if there is exclusivity, that might be the end of the golden era of streaming. itll be like PS and Xbox, each have their exclusive.

Gettinmoney8

6y

Exclusive music will not become a thing.

Most small artists barely make enough money as is and the big ones are too smart to make their music exclusive.

etant

6y

I dont think that all of music is going to be exclusive, but as safe pointed out there could premiers of albums/songs on services, or singles here and there. I agree that it would be unwise for an artist to be only on one platform Unless he gets compensated. But I also dont see why there wouldnt be exclusive content. For example I could see spotify buying COLORS, and just uploading all there recordings on spotify as an exclusive. So I think there is going to be a balance, its not going to be one sided.

etant

6y

I dont think that all of music is going to be exclusive, but as safe pointed out there could premiers of albums/songs on services, or singles here and there. I agree that it would be unwise for an artist to be only on one platform Unless he gets compensated. But I also dont see why there wouldnt be exclusive content. For example I could see spotify buying COLORS, and just uploading all there recordings on spotify as an exclusive. So I think there is going to be a balance, its not going to be one sided.

Gettinmoney8

6y

I think Hov, Beyonce and Kanye and a couple others tried to go a similar route and it simply didn't work out.

IMO Music is simply too accessible for it to go exclusive anytime soon, with the exception of part-time exclusive releases.

Exclusivity would also seem to lower financial opportunities for the artists, which is definitely repulsive for them.

safe

6y

That’s actually a good point re Tidal I kinda forgot they even did that

Kanye’s release was a massive lifeline for Tidal I think though iirc they got 1M+ subs for that alone

Would be interesting to see if that worked on one of the big services to truly say whether it was viable or not

Gettinmoney8

6y

It was a good move for the machine but not for the artist, which is why I believe it won't happen.

safe

6y

Mmm true
That album would’ve done absurd numbers if he’d released normally

safe

6y

That’s true but I think that hopefully it would be Spotify and Apple needing to get approval rather than policy having to make it illegal because otherwise we’re f***ed lol

Damn that’s wild tbh I didn’t even realize. I guess it makes sense but damn they’re pretty reliant on the services themselves

And agree. It’s important for people to realize how good we have it rn because so many other industries move into exclusivity

Forgot to mention your point on monetizing . I think I mentioned it elsewhere but to me areas like that are gonna be where they compete or at least where I hope they compete. Apple is clearly pushing their radio side and Spotify is going for podcasts so it’ll be interesting to see how they find ways to make them a draw and turn profit from them

etant

6y

I dont think we are f***ed per say, but we are just more than ever at the mercy of monopolies. do you see how much the world is overrun by there big monopolies that are not getting regulated whats so ever. I mean for f*** sakes Facebook's daily active people was 2.26 billion on average for December 2019 (including whatsapp, insta, fb). It has always been the case that policy makers are playing catch up. Private company only cares about share holder value.

Yea bro like Andressen said "software is eating the world" and it is no different in music. We are extremely reliant on spottily and AM, and they are what majority of consumer interact with when listening to music, thats why I think it is inevitable that they will become labels them self, cut out the middle man.

Yea, thats a good point about monetization, I hope so too lol. I also dont think that spotify is going to stop at podcast, they should do everything aduio, eventually they are going to do audiobooks too imo.

Gettinmoney8

6y

I think Hov, Beyonce and Kanye and a couple others tried to go a similar route and it simply didn't work out.

IMO Music is simply too accessible for it to go exclusive anytime soon, with the exception of part-time exclusive releases.

Exclusivity would also seem to lower financial opportunities for the artists, which is definitely repulsive for them.

safe

6y

Agree esp in terms of social media monopolies are a little terrifying

Audiobooks is a good call
Obviously audible do that one book a month thing or whatever but books/audiobooks makes sense to me as the next streaming esque pay monthly and get a library type of thing

etant

6y

I think spotify or AM are going to bundle audio books in with rest of the service. Just like how amazon prime includes prime videos. Yo if you dont mind me asking, what are you trying to do in the music industry?

etant

6y

Im going to assume you are referring to TIDAL, I dont think its the exclusivity part that was the mistake, rathter it is because TIDAL didnt have enough initial user base, for the system to be self sustaining. What we could say about that it is, exclusivity isnt enough for a customer to change their current streaming service.

I agree that music is very accessibile, but just like movies/TV I could easily just go to fmovies or any other illeagl video streaming service to watch TV but I sitll have netflix just cause it is so damn convenient.

Well if an artist can signs an exclusive deal with spotify, and end up with an equal or more amount then if they released it both to AM and spotify, it is beneficial for both parties except for the fans.

Gettinmoney8

6y

Chance has already tried doing that and I dont think he or his team were too satisfied with the results

safe

6y

Definitely could see that

I’m really not sure yet
I’m an Econ major math minor so probably something more along the numbers line and hopefully eventually moving towards management either of artists or going into management of a label in some form

etant

6y

oh say word, Im a stats major, last year I wanted to work for spotify, until I realized I wanted to do finance. I think working in AM or spotify would be wise, since they are the only part of music industry with large growth ahead. They are also the ones that needs the most mathematics, and lots of machine learning too. If you could work in the "label" part of Spotify, it could be a superior choice to the traditional label. Food for thought

I think with one of these post you should explore the relationship between streaming service and labels, how the music gets on these platform, how did they establish revenue splits, how spotify are trying sign independent artist...

bloem

6y

I see the vision, safe! Get yours, my dude