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  • Jun 4, 2020
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    m FREE PALESTINE x

    jesus f*** 2000s artists won hard

    early 2000's artists BANKED. nsync, backstreet boys, Britney

  • Jun 4, 2020
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    Sixty 5

    early 2000's artists BANKED. nsync, backstreet boys, Britney

    how on earth is streaming gonna make up for physical sales tho

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    great thread @safe

    that 16% royalty payment must be a big reason why many artists were upset about the advent of companies like Spotify and Apple Music, as generating 1 dollar out of streaming is much more difficult than it is from a consumer buying the track from the itunes store for 1$

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    Jun 4, 2020
    m FREE PALESTINE x

    how on earth is streaming gonna make up for physical sales tho

    In the US? It’s not but it should get the industry to a good $15bn or so

    Globally new markets and bigger population should bridge the gap

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    Jun 4, 2020
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    great thread @safe

    that 16% royalty payment must be a big reason why many artists were upset about the advent of companies like Spotify and Apple Music, as generating 1 dollar out of streaming is much more difficult than it is from a consumer buying the track from the itunes store for 1$

    Yea I’m actually planning on having a look for the sales thread at how much an artist pockets comparatively with a physical bs a digital pure sale (iTunes) vs a streaming sale because I’m not 100 on it

  • Jun 4, 2020
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    @safe

    How do royalty payments work for song covers?

    Let's say for D'Angelo's cover of Smokey Robinson's Cruisin' from Brown Sugar, does he make any money off of his cover, or does all of the money go to the writers/publishers of the original track?

  • This one of the few times I actually read OP, nice job fam and appreciate all the extra knowledge

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    OP
    Jun 4, 2020
    chili

    @safe

    How do royalty payments work for song covers?

    Let's say for D'Angelo's cover of Smokey Robinson's Cruisin' from Brown Sugar, does he make any money off of his cover, or does all of the money go to the writers/publishers of the original track?

    AFAIK if you’re performing live you’re subject to publishing royalties for public performance

    If you’re putting the song up on streaming or whatever you’re subject to mechanical royalties on the publishing side and then if you’re using any part of the master (the exact instrumental for example) then you’re subject to direct sound liabilities as well which you have to work out case by case w the master owner (usually the label)

    So basically for the most part you’re liable for the publishing side but you can earn royalties still

  • Jun 4, 2020
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    Great thread

    Love these threads Safe keep it up!

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    Jun 5, 2020
    Nozuka

    Great thread

    Love these threads Safe keep it up!

    ❤️

  • Had to do a music copyright unit as part of my audio engineering diploma it was confusing af lol

  • Jun 6, 2020
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    safe

    posted this later in the thread but I’ll throw it here as well since it won’t fit in any of the other parts without going over character limit

    A&Rs (Artists & Repertoire)

    Essentially the role of an A&R is to find and sign new artists to labels. They can work on the label or publishing side in order to find artists or songwriters. Coldplay for example were found by a publishing A&R who then shopped their music to labels. In the internet age this involves listening to demos (XL Recordings an INDIE label receive 200,000 unsolicited demos per year and sign 1 artist per year), scouting forums and industry press and attending live shows. Now A&Rs tend to work less for labels and more for talent agencies or independently.

    The traditional role of a manager is usually to find artists and manage them - negotiating contracts, organizing meetings with labels, sponsors etc, organizing touring. An A&R traditionally might communicate with managers and meet with artists or get demos from a manager.

    Nowadays these roles are pretty entwined. A lot of A&R scouts go into management either independently or with a label. They can be involved in all or any of what you mentioned - they can find artists, get their artists signed to labels and publishing deals, organize recording sessions, organize other ventures like sponsorships and develop the artists. From a creative standpoint they can help on a micro level like song selection, connecting artists with producers and songwriters and the like.

    someone like Christian Clancy is a good example of a modern A&R. He was tied to Interscope but was only in a consulting role and a friend showed him the French video by Tyler. He met with them and set them up as an independent label and became their manager. He helped with all facets of OF - creative direction of music and touring, negotiating meetings with places like Adult Swim as well as labels, and his pas experience w labels can help him to give creative direction and marketing direction. He doesn't work directly for the label but he's associated with them and connected in the industry

    what's some scouting forums

  • m FREE PALESTINE x

    how on earth is streaming gonna make up for physical sales tho

    doesn't really. atleast for the artists. don't get it f***ed up, big artists eat Well off streams (especially someone who for the most part keeps the streaming revenue like russ) but nowhere near as much as CD & Vinyl era

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    Jun 6, 2020
    soccerfanj

    what's some scouting forums

    I mean scouting forums as in looking at forums like this, reddit, the coli, etc to find unsigned artists who are getting attention

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    I like it

    Gonna keep doing my 1 thread a week but I might add a little to this one every now and then cause I agree that it’s hard to find all this in one place

    That being said I’ll have to talk to S about the character limit first and see if there’s a way he can make an allowance or something

    My next thread is on music sales and label tactics so there’ll be a bunch of stuff in that thread about marketing that I can bring over to here As well

    Patiently waitin on that thread about music sales and label tactics

  • Jun 7, 2020
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    @safe

    two questions

    1.Why was Dark Lane Demo Tapes released through OVO and Republic, event though OVO is an imprint on Warner?

    2. What are the incentives for Kanye, Drake, and Cole for signing new artist to their imprints? Do they get a slice?

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    Jun 7, 2020
    cruzzz

    @safe

    two questions

    1.Why was Dark Lane Demo Tapes released through OVO and Republic, event though OVO is an imprint on Warner?

    2. What are the incentives for Kanye, Drake, and Cole for signing new artist to their imprints? Do they get a slice?

    OVO is a different entity to OVO Sound
    from what I know drake is now independent and OVO represents that - I think republic are just distributing the album

    most likely
    probably depends artist to artist but I would assume theres some sort of incentive percentage in it for them

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    Jun 7, 2020
    Gettinmoney8

    Patiently waitin on that thread about music sales and label tactics

    its up

  • Aug 11, 2020

    @safe does this mean the songwriter completely gives up any royalties form those sold? Or does redone still receive any other royalty benefits from those sold records? Thanks

    theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/16/royalties-investment-firm-buys-catalogue-of-lady-gaga-collaborator-hipgnosis-redone?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  • Sep 21, 2020

    in

  • Sep 21, 2020

    safe really got me learnin words like oligopolistic

  • May 18, 2021

    great read @op

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