The rise of black Israelites/hoteps has made me realize this...

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  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Sepah

    Worded extremely well. the real origins of Afro descendant people (west/central Africa) seems to be the biggest insecurity of these types, because for the most part Africa isn’t central to the Bible in the case of Hebrew Israelites so in turn they deny their heritage in favour of a biblical one like the ancient hebrews

    Again, have you taken a look at the self-told origins/creation myths of some of the West African tribes? The Binis, the Yorubas?

    Some of them claim Jewish descent or at least cite migration from a region that seems similar. It's been ages since I read them, but you seem to be intent on attributing their fixation with being Israelites to just ignorance like it's a personal issue.

  • Nov 6, 2022
    Mulder

    Hoteps & Israelites need to read their own history. Understand their own culture.

    They literally want to connect to some s*** from when we (afro-descendants in general) didn't even exist as a people!

    The Black Americans ones like Kyrie need to read up on Black American history. We have a lot to be proud of. We have cultural traditions, values, holidays, a long history of resistance, etc,. that is being lost because these negros don't want to claim any of it out of shame that is definitely a trauma response. It's sad and pisses me off. The same goes for any other Afro-Descendant that subscribes to that thinking. The fact so many Black Americans didn't know we have an ethnic flag until last year pisses me off.

    Have you read any papers about the creation myths of Central and West African tribes?

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    FranquitoReynolds

    Love how he specifically says Bible and Christians as if Arab and Muslims ain't done the Africans no harm.

    Madina al Fadila used to be the slave market capital of the world!

    Ottomans were slaving Euros from 1400s

    African Moors we’re on ships from 700s pirating hunting for white slaves

    There was a African led slave trade of whites for 500+ years 700-1300 in North Africa

    Slavery was the norm of the ancient world

  • Nov 6, 2022
    mosh

    Franz Fanon wrote about the psychological effects of colonialism on colonized people in Wretched of the Earth. It's not a 1-to-1 comparison but I recommend checking it out if this is a topic of interest

    Wretched of the Earth is a great book

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Also hilarious that most of the people ITT clowning Hoteps for having implausible beliefs are Karl Marx stans.

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Also hilarious that most of the people ITT clowning Hoteps for having implausible beliefs are Karl Marx stans.

    You realize Fanon was Marxist as well right

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    You realize Fanon was Marxist as well right

    Nobody's perfect

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Nobody's perfect

    It's vital to his whole a***ysis lol but whatever

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    It's vital to his whole a***ysis lol but whatever

    I didn't think so. I remember rolling my eyes at all the lumpenproletariat s***, but found some credence (and real world evidence) about how marginalized cultures try to elevate their cultural identities by tying it to cultures that are historically or intellectually unimpeachable.

  • Hollow

    Ottomans were slaving Euros from 1400s

    African Moors we’re on ships from 700s pirating hunting for white slaves

    There was a African led slave trade of whites for 500+ years 700-1300 in North Africa

    Slavery was the norm of the ancient world

    The followers of the prophet (PBUH) started having slave girls as soon as Sureh Ahzab and Nisa were sent down from the heavens. The permission and instructions are laid out in these two Mubaraka Surahs

    Omar Ibn Khattab The second Muslim Khalifa was assassinated by a Persian slave by the name of Pirouz Nahavandi.

    That's actually where Tarantino got the idea for DJango from, not Kanye west

  • Nov 6, 2022
    kenni nixon

    gadgh nigga Black Isrealites are the most disorganized religion lmao

    And they exist solely based off of one of the most organized religions?

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Hollow

    Also Hebrew is a African language, all the closest languages to it including Arabic originated in Africa

    it gets deeper

    Hebrew is not an African language, name another African language that’s similar? The Hebrew alphabet and language is one of the few that is so different to every other language known today. There are a few words that overlap with Arabic due to both being spoken in the Middle East for centuries. But the similarities are like how in several languages you have the word mobile or telephone because these are modern words

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    deadacc

    "A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

    It goes without saying that a nation, like every historical phenomenon, is subject to the law of change, has its history, its beginning and end.

    It must be emphasized that none of the above characteristics taken separately is sufficient to define a nation. More than that, it is sufficient for a single one of these characteristics to be lacking and the nation ceases to be a nation."

    so the chicano nation in the south west, hawaii, and the black belt south represent the three historical criteria for nations within a nation.

    This definition is way too loose imo. Many neighborhood communities could be a***yzed in these terms

    Also, if this same book is the one arguing that Black regional people qualify as nations more than indigenous tribes, that sounds even more ridiculous but I’d be curious how the author gets in depth on territory (and sovereign rights/power ie the manner in which a nation traditionally becomes legible as such to other nations)

    …It’s my opinion that a ‘nation within a nation’ should maybe not try to denigrate the sovereignty of separately marginalized nations (ie indigenous tribes of the US in this case) because no ‘nation’ has ever achieved much without international collaboration

  • Nov 6, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    You realize Fanon was Marxist as well right

    People just be typing whatever I swear

  • Nov 6, 2022
    Ezio

    Never thought I'd see the word Amazigh on KTT

    S/o to my mgharba

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    Again, have you taken a look at the self-told origins/creation myths of some of the West African tribes? The Binis, the Yorubas?

    Some of them claim Jewish descent or at least cite migration from a region that seems similar. It's been ages since I read them, but you seem to be intent on attributing their fixation with being Israelites to just ignorance like it's a personal issue.

    Good point however just because a people have migration stories within their culture doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to conflate that with the ancient hebrews. I’ve done a bit a looking into the groups in west Africa who claim to be descendants of the 12 tribes and all I could see was small groups (hundreds of members)

  • Nov 6, 2022
    Hollow

    Also the original jew Y haplo group is black African E1b1b, the real Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews carry it

    Source?

  • Nov 6, 2022
    Hollow

    Also Hebrew is a African language, all the closest languages to it including Arabic originated in Africa

    it gets deeper

    What do you know about africa tho?

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    Nov 6, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    It's always been odd to me how hoteps don't choose sub-saharan african empires of the past

    Cause they wanna be white

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    Nov 6, 2022
    Mulder

    Hoteps & Israelites need to read their own history. Understand their own culture.

    They literally want to connect to some s*** from when we (afro-descendants in general) didn't even exist as a people!

    The Black Americans ones like Kyrie need to read up on Black American history. We have a lot to be proud of. We have cultural traditions, values, holidays, a long history of resistance, etc,. that is being lost because these negros don't want to claim any of it out of shame that is definitely a trauma response. It's sad and pisses me off. The same goes for any other Afro-Descendant that subscribes to that thinking. The fact so many Black Americans didn't know we have an ethnic flag until last year pisses me off.

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    Crippledgod being black is crazy I thought he was white

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    CrippledGod

    I didn't think so. I remember rolling my eyes at all the lumpenproletariat s***, but found some credence (and real world evidence) about how marginalized cultures try to elevate their cultural identities by tying it to cultures that are historically or intellectually unimpeachable.

    You are illiterate if you think Fanon’s philosophy isn’t Pan African Marxism.

    Black Skin, White Masks is Marxist Alienation theory.

    The Wretched of The Earth is about Capitalist Colonialism and how the Colonized need to Revolt against their Master Country.

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Lydge

    Hebrew is not an African language, name another African language that’s similar? The Hebrew alphabet and language is one of the few that is so different to every other language known today. There are a few words that overlap with Arabic due to both being spoken in the Middle East for centuries. But the similarities are like how in several languages you have the word mobile or telephone because these are modern words

    Look up the Afroasiatic Urheimat , the homeland for Afroasiatic languages is either Northeast Africa or the African Red Sea coast

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Hollow

    Look up the Afroasiatic Urheimat , the homeland for Afroasiatic languages is either Northeast Africa or the African Red Sea coast

    Looked it up and it was hypothetical. Also that’s related to east Africa. The people were talking about are primarily descendants of West and Central Africans

  • Nov 6, 2022
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    Sepah

    Looked it up and it was hypothetical. Also that’s related to east Africa. The people were talking about are primarily descendants of West and Central Africans

    Still black