Both im not even gonna lie to u
We all have our own history that we don't want to be erased but I also do not f*** with these niggas at all. African americans are cool and s*** bc they never did us wrong but its a different deal w these niggas from africa
I'm not up on african history like that. What do you mean when you say "did us wrong". Also Im guessing Caribbeans fall in the same boat as AA's for you?
Also do you consider east africans as "black" similar to how a japanese, chinese, viet, etc are considered asian yet still their own distinct ethnicity?
Bro first off we were never slaved and we can't even hate on the imperialism stuff bc we did our own before they came. Again u don't know much about our history.
This black s*** works here in white countries but its completely rétarded outside of it
We can't even hate on the imperialism stuff? Like not owning your own land? The exploitation of men, women and children for forced/indentured labor? Nah we can't hate on that because when Somalians had nothing they sold each other. But when the Europeans had everything, they sold us to make more. There's a difference between Africans selling Africans and Europeans selling Africans.
Also that black s***, did work in Black Countries like the Organisation of African Unity survives through the African Union which has departments like the Pan-African Parliament..
but theres no connection there other than being from a shared continent
if u said India and Pakistan then yeah since that split is recent but there’s not much relating south asians and someone from Japan
Thank you
It's f***ing rétarded dawg
Imagine a costa rican coming up to some canadian nigga talking bout we're american brothers nigga wtf 🤣
Like it's evident how stupid this is when it comes to every other continent but somehow this is supposed to apply to africa? Pan africanism is the most rétarded ideology ever dawg
Bro first off we were never slaved and we can't even hate on the imperialism stuff bc we did our own before they came. Again u don't know much about our history.
This black s*** works here in white countries but its completely rétarded outside of it
something as devastating as Colonialism can create a new identity for a group of people who suffered under similar oppression together that didn’t have much in common before
I guess India would be a good example to relate it to before the british an indian national identity wasn’t a thing til recently and this new national identity didn’t erase each particular cultural group identity that makes up India. ( well most if we ignore what’s happening to Adavasi people)
Thank you
It's f***ing rétarded dawg
Imagine a costa rican coming up to some canadian nigga talking bout we're american brothers nigga wtf 🤣
Like it's evident how stupid this is when it comes to every other continent but somehow this is supposed to apply to africa? Pan africanism is the most rétarded ideology ever dawg
Why even engage with this type of rhetoric if its going to be disrespectful to the Africans who gave their life fighting against colonialism and imperialism?
I doubt this guy has ever been to a white dominated society, saw a black person and understood what it meant to be in the position they are now. You have no appreciation or gratitude. So if you want to be a Somalian and not an African, go ahead but when those Crackers follow you around the store, stop you from doing any sort of business, and refuse you housing, then tell them how not Black you are.
We can't even hate on the imperialism stuff? Like not owning your own land? The exploitation of men, women and children for forced/indentured labor? Nah we can't hate on that because when Somalians had nothing they sold each other. But when the Europeans had everything, they sold us to make more. There's a difference between Africans selling Africans and Europeans selling Africans.
Also that black s***, did work in Black Countries like the Organisation of African Unity survives through the African Union which has departments like the Pan-African Parliament..
Again bro somalis never sold each other nor were we ever sold as slaves by europeans or any other group of people, our entire history with slavery is when we sold ethiopians to arabs and enslaved kenyans, tanzanians and yemenis to work in our farms
You're trying to put YOUR history and shared experiences on me, it's f***ing weird. We all have different histories dawg, just bc we share a continent does not mean we're all the same
This ismali_mire is misconstruing pan-africanism, it's about solidarity and shared struggle not erasing ethnic identity in favor of one global 'african' people.
There are some Pan-Africanists who denounce ethnic chauvinism to the extent of not believing in Ethnicity but those are extremists lol
Again bro somalis never sold each other nor were we ever sold as slaves by europeans or any other group of people, our entire history with slavery is when we sold ethiopians to arabs and enslaved kenyans, tanzanians and yemenis to work in our farms
You're trying to put YOUR history and shared experiences on me, it's f***ing weird. We all have different histories dawg, just bc we share a continent does not mean we're all the same
You say Somalis never sold or was sold but then in the exact same sentence you contradicted your previous statements and said that Somali's sold other Africans
The end of slavery and the 'problem' of farm labour in colonial Somalia.:
Pan Africanism and Pan-Somalism:
cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-modern-african-studies/article/abs/panafricanism-and-pansomalism/278EB4B0BECFD0765414A61B4CDDC91C
I'm not up on african history like that. What do you mean when you say "did us wrong". Also Im guessing Caribbeans fall in the same boat as AA's for you?
Also do you consider east africans as "black" similar to how a japanese, chinese, viet, etc are considered asian yet still their own distinct ethnicity?
We have land disputes with every all africans around us bro, that's what I mean
And idk much about carribeans
This black stuff is stupid dawg, I'm somali. The only reason why I consider myself black is bc the west works on some racial caste bs
We have land disputes with every all africans around us bro, that's what I mean
And idk much about carribeans
This black stuff is stupid dawg, I'm somali. The only reason why I consider myself black is bc the west works on some racial caste bs
Oh so if you go to Asia they wont see you as Black or African?
This is an interesting topic just cause as a Black American raised by a family from the south there was no point I questioned being Black or what that means to me lol
You say Somalis never sold or was sold but then in the exact same sentence you contradicted your previous statements and said that Somali's sold other Africans
The end of slavery and the 'problem' of farm labour in colonial Somalia.:
https://arcadia.sba.uniroma3.it/bitstream/2307/1018/5/36_L.%20V.%20CASSANELLI%20-%20The%20end%20of%20slavery%20and%20the%20%27problem%27%20of%20farm%20labour%20in%20colonial%20Somalia.pdf
Pan Africanism and Pan-Somalism:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-modern-african-studies/article/abs/panafricanism-and-pansomalism/278EB4B0BECFD0765414A61B4CDDC91C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Somalia
Literally read the link u just posted
You said that somalis sold each other, that's false. You tried to bring up some trauma about europeans doing slavery in somalia but the only slaves italians and brits ever dealt with when they came to our lands were the tanzanians the arabs sold us to work in our farms
Stop trying to erase our history dawg, this african identity is bullshit we all had vastly different experiences
Oh so if you go to Asia they wont see you as Black or African?
I dont care ab what they see me as dawg, their opinions has no importance
This is an interesting topic just cause as a Black American raised by a family from the south there was no point I questioned being Black or what that means to me lol
Bro ur not the same as these african niggas believe me, just go hang out in west africa u will understand what I mean.
This is an interesting topic just cause as a Black American raised by a family from the south there was no point I questioned being Black or what that means to me lol
Yeah its interesting seeing how different places outside of North America see race
Literally read the link u just posted
You said that somalis sold each other, that's false. You tried to bring up some trauma about europeans doing slavery in somalia but the only slaves italians and brits ever dealt with when they came to our lands were the tanzanians the arabs sold us to work in our farms
Stop trying to erase our history dawg, this african identity is bullshit we all had vastly different experiences
Nobody is trying to erase your history.
And if you read any books like at ALL you would know that slavery including in your Country, was perpetrated originally by those who live there. The Indian Ocean Slave Trade was an economic opportunity for natives to rid themselves of debt and capitalize on their follow peoples.
I AM NOT ONLY BRINGING UP SLAVERY. I brought up IMPERIALISM which had FORCED LABOR and the citizens had NO POWER.
Nigga what the f*** 😂
F*** pan-africanism, all respect to yall but I dont wanna be with yall niggas. I'm not african, I'm somali
yep, posts like this is exactly why im wary of other black niggas
somalis, africans, jamaicans, haitians etc. will make sure that it is known that they're anything but african american like it gives them points or some s*** from yts or in America period
coon ass niggas, poc solidarity is a farce
I dont care ab what they see me as dawg, their opinions has no importance
You are aware they will stare at you, spit on you, deny you entrance into establishments, and possibly kill you just for being black. It's common, ask Black Folks in Japan what they go through.
somalis, africans, jamaicans, haitians etc. will make sure that it is known that they're anything but african american like it gives them points or some s*** from yts or in America period
coon ass niggas, poc solidarity is a farce
Half agree.
but theres no connection there other than being from a shared continent
if u said India and Pakistan then yeah since that split is recent but there’s not much relating south asians and someone from Japan
but the ideate of asianness encapsulates both as much as anybody would like to deny it
it's for this reason that the term "asian-american" exists and was created in the 70s by asian marxists with diasporas from everwhere within the continent.
there is undeniably multiple experiential, historical and conceptually distinct features to determine that "asian"-ness exists and as such it encapsulates both pakistanis and koreans
but the ideate of asianness encapsulates both as much as anybody would like to deny it
it's for this reason that the term "asian-american" exists and was created in the 70s by asian marxists with diasporas from everwhere within the continent.
there is undeniably multiple experiential, historical and conceptually distinct features to determine that "asian"-ness exists and as such it encapsulates both pakistanis and koreans
before i make a reply just edit the “pakis” to pakistani or something i know u didn’t mean it but it can be seen as a slur lol
You are aware they will stare at you, spit on you, deny you entrance into establishments, and possibly kill you just for being black. It's common, ask Black Folks in Japan what they go through.
Dawg a kenyan once came to Somalia to film a vlog and had to leave 3 days early bc she felt so much racism. Niggas were touching her hair and s*** wondering what tf she was
A taiwanese girl tried vlogging in northern somalia and she too had to go back early bc she felt there was too much racism against asians there. Somalia is literally an ethnostate dawg, I cant be mad at them for that when the same s*** happens in my home country