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SABMAN TURNTyou definitely need to re-check the timeline
digital started becoming popular in the late 00s, but it was never prioritized over physicals until streaming
Kanye not doing physicals for Yeezus in 2013 was unheard of, and it didnât even make a dent because nobody else followed suit for years. even Kanye went back to doing physicals for TLOP, his next album.
Even your timeline is still too early lol. It was TLOP that was the first no physicals album, Yeezus had CDs in store day one. So 2016 which makes sense cause thatâs when streaming actually took over and s*** changed. Then he went back to physicals for the Wyoming albums.
·2 repliesAverage tracks per #1 album by previous two decades:
2010s: 14
2020s: 18LMAO
- SABMAN TURNT
you definitely need to re-check the timeline
digital started becoming popular in the late 00s, but it was never prioritized over physicals until streaming
Kanye not doing physicals for Yeezus in 2013 was unheard of, and it didnât even make a dent because nobody else followed suit for years. even Kanye went back to doing physicals for TLOP, his next album.
No he didnât
TLOP was never released on physical to this day
And I never said it was prioritized over physicals before streaming, but it was still a major way that music was consumed
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Average tracks per #1 album by previous two decades:
2010s: 14
2020s: 18LMAO
Do the 2000s and 90s too for a fuller picture
- ·1 reply2words
Even your timeline is still too early lol. It was TLOP that was the first no physicals album, Yeezus had CDs in store day one. So 2016 which makes sense cause thatâs when streaming actually took over and s*** changed. Then he went back to physicals for the Wyoming albums.
Which shows that that point wasnât a good example because he went back to physicals during the streaming era
- ·1 reply2words
Do the 2000s and 90s too for a fuller picture
About 13 for both decades but that makes sense due to the CD limitations
Digital music sales overtook physical sales for the first time in 2011 @sab
theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/06/downloads-physical-sales-us
- SABMAN TURNT
you definitely need to re-check the timeline
digital started becoming popular in the late 00s, but it was never prioritized over physicals until streaming
Kanye not doing physicals for Yeezus in 2013 was unheard of, and it didnât even make a dent because nobody else followed suit for years. even Kanye went back to doing physicals for TLOP, his next album.
Also I just realized that you got the Yeezus part wrong
Yeezus DID have physicals day one
The interesting part was that it didnât have a cover art, not that there was no physicals at all
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Which shows that that point wasnât a good example because he went back to physicals during the streaming era
Not really. I corrected the facts of his argument but it still more or less supports his point. 2016 was the real of the streaming era and albums being released without physicals being a big part of the release. TLOP Coloring Book Blonde. So just because ye went back to physicals after doesnât really take away that significance of why he went away from it in the first place
- ·2 replies2words
Not really. I corrected the facts of his argument but it still more or less supports his point. 2016 was the real of the streaming era and albums being released without physicals being a big part of the release. TLOP Coloring Book Blonde. So just because ye went back to physicals after doesnât really take away that significance of why he went away from it in the first place
Not true.
Yes, artists didnât really start abandoning the physical format until 2016/2017, but digital music overtook physical sales all the way back in 2011
And the only Ye albums that donât have physicals in his entire discography are TLOP and VULTURES 2, he never really abandoned the format
- ·1 replyshaleirose
About 13 for both decades but that makes sense due to the CD limitations
So the average went up with less limitations, damn
it doesnât really prove your theory that itâs strictly from trying to juice the streams. Some are but some do seem to just use the format as a way to give more value to fans - ·1 reply2words
So the average went up with less limitations, damn
it doesnât really prove your theory that itâs strictly from trying to juice the streams. Some are but some do seem to just use the format as a way to give more value to fansIt proves the theory that streaming has directly contributed to the rise in the amount of tracks on mainstream albums
We went from 13/14 for three decades during the advent and takeover of digital, to 18 as soon as streaming sets in as the main consumption method
ââMore valueâ is entirely subjective. Plenty of people see excess tracks and see less value
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Not true.
Yes, artists didnât really start abandoning the physical format until 2016/2017, but digital music overtook physical sales all the way back in 2011
And the only Ye albums that donât have physicals in his entire discography are TLOP and VULTURES 2, he never really abandoned the format
Digital music and streaming arenât the same. It was the streaming era specifically that made a huge change in how artists actually approach releases. This should be pretty obvious
- ·1 replyshaleirose
It proves the theory that streaming has directly contributed to the rise in the amount of tracks on mainstream albums
We went from 13/14 for three decades during the advent and takeover of digital, to 18 as soon as streaming sets in as the main consumption method
ââMore valueâ is entirely subjective. Plenty of people see excess tracks and see less value
Only nerds see more music as less value lol itâs really not subjective tbh. Iâm thinking of releases like Eternal Atake where an artist was able to release what they wanted but also give an extra something for his fans. I donât think anyone thinks EA would be a better value without the expansion pack, that would be beyond stupid
- ·1 reply2words
Digital music and streaming arenât the same. It was the streaming era specifically that made a huge change in how artists actually approach releases. This should be pretty obvious
Yâall are saying that digital didnât take over until the mid-to-late 2010s. That is entirely untrue
- ·1 reply2words
Only nerds see more music as less value lol itâs really not subjective tbh. Iâm thinking of releases like Eternal Atake where an artist was able to release what they wanted but also give an extra something for his fans. I donât think anyone thinks EA would be a better value without the expansion pack, that would be beyond stupid
There are plenty of reasons why people would see more tracks as less value
- shaleirose
Yâall are saying that digital didnât take over until the mid-to-late 2010s. That is entirely untrue
Iâm saying streaming took over then. And the streaming model simply had way more of an impact on the album format than previous digital downloads did. Streaming was more of a game changer. Yes digital was a thing before and was growing but streaming is what actually changed music in a concrete way
- ·3 repliesshaleirose
There are plenty of reasons why people would see more tracks as less value
If I sell you a bag of chips thatâs too full are you gonna tell me I shouldâve picked the best 10 chips to keep it cohesive? You sound ridiculous.
- SABMAN TURNT đ§đ»2words
Even your timeline is still too early lol. It was TLOP that was the first no physicals album, Yeezus had CDs in store day one. So 2016 which makes sense cause thatâs when streaming actually took over and s*** changed. Then he went back to physicals for the Wyoming albums.
ah my bad
proves my point even further ngl
- SABMAN TURNT đ§đ»Â·1 reply2words
If I sell you a bag of chips thatâs too full are you gonna tell me I shouldâve picked the best 10 chips to keep it cohesive? You sound ridiculous.
âit would taste better because the other chips would take away from the experienceâ or some s*** lmao
- SABMAN TURNT đ§đ»Â·1 replyshaleirose
Not true.
Yes, artists didnât really start abandoning the physical format until 2016/2017, but digital music overtook physical sales all the way back in 2011
And the only Ye albums that donât have physicals in his entire discography are TLOP and VULTURES 2, he never really abandoned the format
physicals are an afterthought nowadays
day 1 physicals in store donât happen anymore, physicals are only made to fulfill existing preorders & are later put up for sale after the album is already out
thatâs the real difference
·1 replyshaleiroseAverage tracks per #1 album by previous two decades:
2010s: 14
2020s: 18LMAO
Albums are either 30 minutes with barely any content or 80+ minute streamwhore products these days
- ·1 reply2words
If I sell you a bag of chips thatâs too full are you gonna tell me I shouldâve picked the best 10 chips to keep it cohesive? You sound ridiculous.
Comparing a Drake album to a bag of chips is accurate but not very flattering
- ·1 replyNoir
Comparing a Drake album to a bag of chips is accurate but not very flattering
We werenât talking about Drake we were talking about streaming era albums as a whole. Specifically the question of âvalueâ. I simply used a product that can be quantified. I hope you arenât under the delusion that your favorite artists, however hip or indie, arenât still a corporate product and canât be just easily compared to convenience items.
- ·2 replies2words
We werenât talking about Drake we were talking about streaming era albums as a whole. Specifically the question of âvalueâ. I simply used a product that can be quantified. I hope you arenât under the delusion that your favorite artists, however hip or indie, arenât still a corporate product and canât be just easily compared to convenience items.
The value is in the quality of the art, not how much bullshit can be shoved under one arbitrary umbrella, then packaged and submitted to a distributor.
The problem isn't the number of songs so much as the mindset that art is comparable to a disposable item like a bag of chips. Great music is not meant to heard once and thrown out, but if you're building your record for maximum first week sales, that is the implication you make to audiences.