NoirThe value is in the quality of the art, not how much bullshit can be shoved under one arbitrary umbrella, then packaged and submitted to a distributor.
The problem isn't the number of songs so much as the mindset that art is comparable to a disposable item like a bag of chips. Great music is not meant to heard once and thrown out, but if you're building your record for maximum first week sales, that is the implication you make to audiences.
In the context of this thread, the sales thread, I am not looking at things in that artsy fartsy music nerd way. Music is just as much product as it is art
Jalen Brunson Fan đžPersonally I think that buying a copy of the album should count as a sale of a copy of the album
Am I trippin?
SABMAN TURNT đ§đ»NoirAlbums are either 30 minutes with barely any content or 80+ minute streamwhore products these days
remember when the Wyoming albums came out & people thought Kanye was gaming the system because you could play ye like 3x in an hour
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2wordsIf I sell you a bag of chips thatâs too full are you gonna tell me I shouldâve picked the best 10 chips to keep it cohesive? You sound ridiculous.
What kind of example is this? Why would a bag of chips need to be cohesive?
- ·1 replySABMAN TURNT
âit would taste better because the other chips would take away from the experienceâ or some s*** lmao
Do you niggas even value art? How do you genuinely think a bag of chips is comparable to an album in any way, shape, or form?
- SABMAN TURNT
physicals are an afterthought nowadays
day 1 physicals in store donât happen anymore, physicals are only made to fulfill existing preorders & are later put up for sale after the album is already out
thatâs the real difference
None of this is true?
I think youâre just extremely unaware of how the physical game is right now
Physicals are FAR from an afterthought in 2026
All of the biggest artists are relying on physicals for their first week numbers
And pretty much every major mainstream album (with some exceptions, like Drake) is available day one in stores at big box retailers and local record stores
- ·edited·1 replyshaleirose
What kind of example is this? Why would a bag of chips need to be cohesive?
Itâs subjective if you think less songs is better, itâs a highly particular opinion. The average person would ask you why an album has to be cohesive. Albums do not need to be cohesive.
To regular people, more songs is more chances to have their favorites from and potentially end up revisiting more songs or saving more songs. More variety. And idk how you canât see the obvious and objective value in that on a consumer level. Regular people donât listen to albums, s*** even most âmusic fansâ donât. Releasing longer and more dynamic works isnât the crime that you guys like to act it is. Life After Death is better than Illmatic
- SABMAN TURNT đ§đ»Â·1 replyshaleirose
Do you niggas even value art? How do you genuinely think a bag of chips is comparable to an album in any way, shape, or form?
do YOU?? youâve stated tons of times that you think albums sound better when thereâs less music on them
Kr0niic âïžÂ·1 replyJust been informed GNX has out streamed ice man on its respective days since release from day 2 on, and hasnât been out streamed a single day since⊠oh wow
·1 replyKr0niicJust been informed GNX has out streamed ice man on its respective days since release from day 2 on, and hasnât been out streamed a single day since⊠oh wow
Let's be informed about the world and our jobs
- ·2 repliesSABMAN TURNT
do YOU?? youâve stated tons of times that you think albums sound better when thereâs less music on them
A big part of art is constraint. Knowing what needs to be included and knowing what needs to be cut. The reason albums arenât 200-songs long is because thatâs a ridiculous number of songs to try to ask someone to listen to and engage with in one sitting as one statement
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Let's be informed about the world and our jobs
giannis got traded to a mid team and i get next friday off
- 2words
Itâs subjective if you think less songs is better, itâs a highly particular opinion. The average person would ask you why an album has to be cohesive. Albums do not need to be cohesive.
To regular people, more songs is more chances to have their favorites from and potentially end up revisiting more songs or saving more songs. More variety. And idk how you canât see the obvious and objective value in that on a consumer level. Regular people donât listen to albums, s*** even most âmusic fansâ donât. Releasing longer and more dynamic works isnât the crime that you guys like to act it is. Life After Death is better than Illmatic
I never said âlonger albums = worse albumsâ
Yâall are the ones drawing that conclusion from what Iâm saying
Long albums can still be great, some of my favorite albums ever are long
But if youâre gonna do a long album, you have to do it purposefully and intentionally, not just filling out the tracklist with random 2-minute songs to pad out streaming numbers
- ·1 replySABMAN TURNT
you definitely need to re-check the timeline
digital started becoming popular in the late 00s, but it was never prioritized over physicals until streaming
Kanye not doing physicals for Yeezus in 2013 was unheard of, and it didnât even make a dent because nobody else followed suit for years. even Kanye went back to doing physicals for TLOP, his next album.
wayne did no physicals for ianahb first btw.
- ·1 replyNoir
The value is in the quality of the art, not how much bullshit can be shoved under one arbitrary umbrella, then packaged and submitted to a distributor.
The problem isn't the number of songs so much as the mindset that art is comparable to a disposable item like a bag of chips. Great music is not meant to heard once and thrown out, but if you're building your record for maximum first week sales, that is the implication you make to audiences.
Their most apt comparison for albums as an artform was⊠a bag of chips.
A highly-processed, super unhealthy junk food with zero nutritional value.
That being the comparison just shows they donât see music as art whatsoever, just content to fill their time with
- ·5 repliesshaleirose
A big part of art is constraint. Knowing what needs to be included and knowing what needs to be cut. The reason albums arenât 200-songs long is because thatâs a ridiculous number of songs to try to ask someone to listen to and engage with in one sitting as one statement
200 is ridiculous but 25-30 really isnât. As long as itâs quality it usually just extends the time getting to know an album, aka adds depth, which is value. And again, no one is engaging with albums as something to listen to in one sitting as one statement. Do you not realize thatâs just not how people engage with music anymore? We are the only ones left doing that
Also viewing music as art is played out. Music is music. F*** the Beatles for making everyone view music as art
- ·1 reply2words
200 is ridiculous but 25-30 really isnât. As long as itâs quality it usually just extends the time getting to know an album, aka adds depth, which is value. And again, no one is engaging with albums as something to listen to in one sitting as one statement. Do you not realize thatâs just not how people engage with music anymore? We are the only ones left doing that
Also viewing music as art is played out. Music is music. F*** the Beatles for making everyone view music as art
Now music isnât art
Yâall got it man
- ·1 replyKr0niic
giannis got traded to a mid team and i get next friday off
Calling Miami mid is insane work
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Their most apt comparison for albums as an artform was⊠a bag of chips.
A highly-processed, super unhealthy junk food with zero nutritional value.
That being the comparison just shows they donât see music as art whatsoever, just content to fill their time with
You really getting so hung up on that but you can apply it to anything that is sold in a certain quantity. If you get more veggie sticks in your bag are you gonna be like âthis is too many calories for one sitting đ€â or are you gonna be a normal person and save some for later? You donât have to consume it all at once I promise you, and that is how listeners engage with music
Idk why yall are in the sales thread but so afraid of the fact that music at this scale is product for consumers, it is not the haven of artistic expression that you think it is
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Now music isnât art
Yâall got it man
Music has been around longer than art
- ·1 reply2words
You really getting so hung up on that but you can apply it to anything that is sold in a certain quantity. If you get more veggie sticks in your bag are you gonna be like âthis is too many calories for one sitting đ€â or are you gonna be a normal person and save some for later? You donât have to consume it all at once I promise you, and that is how listeners engage with music
Idk why yall are in the sales thread but so afraid of the fact that music at this scale is product for consumers, it is not the haven of artistic expression that you think it is
Your comparisons donât make any sense whatsoever
- Kr0niic âïžÂ·1 replyshaleirose
Calling Miami mid is insane work
Giannis, the second highest point scored in a game guy, and friends
- ·1 replyshaleirose
Your comparisons donât make any sense whatsoever
Because youâre obtuse. Comparisons arenât supposed to be 1 to 1
- ·1 reply2words
Music has been around longer than art
Music is an artform. There is no debating that. Itâs a form of human expression, human emotion, & human creativity