Yea I agree. Are you a writer?

that struggle singing over trap&b instrumentals literally ruined the genre

RT @iamiguel R&B problem is simply a problem a lot of black genres have in the modern era, they are are influenced by rap.

And not that rap itself is a bad influence, I think the sing-rappers that are good are great at it.

It's just they're SOLELY influenced by rap (and nothing else)

All your favorite R&B/"alt" r&B albums of the last few decades just listen to what they was listening to (frank ocean listening to beach boys during blonde. D'Angelo studying funk masters sly and the family stone and others during voodoo.) and you can just tell the difference.

Or you can just hear it in the music (yo sidebar @NOTSAVEME I never got to apologize for how I came at you in your dijon thread, that was out of pocket and out of line and I took out a bad day on you). Like someone said listening to Dijon and hearing the influence of different singers from across multiple genres.

And it f***ing works. Dijon's album still one of the best albums of the decade

It does a lot for your art when you can channel more than just one thing and a lot of R&B acts are channeling the same thing tbh.

Peak and saturation I both came out before flower boy lol

I feel like Tyler isn't an overflowing well of endless release-quality level ideas tbf

He's been around for 15 years and has been cool with everyone in the game atp, from Jay to Drake to Kanye to Kendrick to Rocky to Pharrell to etc etc & yet he only has a handful of notable major beat placements outside of his camp

Speaking of, can you believe Off The Wall opens with Don't Stop til You Get Enough?... I can't think of any better album opener, it's crazy

this man's versatility crazy

yeah they did lol

that doesn’t change what i said

Brockhampton really deserves the alt rap influence that gets attributed to Flower Boy LET’S POD FR

Brockhampton influenced the grass roots movement of bedroom pop/alternative/rap but they wouldn’t exist without Tyler

Dj Harrison the GAWD bro saw Butcher Brown live at the Blue Note and them niggas was fire.

They’re good but they just make me want to listen to the originals

Part of it is that Donald isn’t half the vocalist his idols are, so he can write a really good song and not sell it as well.

de best MJ album too

this site got a real strange complex w Flower Boy but they love IGOR, i never understood it lol

They're kinda evenly matched

Tyler a slightly better rapper, Bino a better singer.
Tyler a better producer, Bino a more versatile artist

What it comes down for me is that I think Bino is just a better writer overall and just knows how to write about more serious topics in a more organic way. Like Tyler can't make a baby boy, flight of navigator, urn, the violence to me

new magic wand is tyler best song

Flower Boy is better than Igor largely because Tyler knew to let better singers do the singing for him.

Flower Boy saved Tyler’s career full stop

Im with you for a song like Baby Boy which is literally a 1:1 rip off of a Sly and family stone track but those two specifically are so so special. Also cannot disagree more with the vocals, both those tracks are so visceral, that strained singing on Me and Your Mama is executed perfectly

Whew, disagree

Igor > FB

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Op is spitting. I love Tyler but it’s wild how much of a media/critic darling he’s become post flower boy, it doesn’t come off as genuine. I enjoy his last two albums for what it’s worth though

tyler’s edgy horror core
is better than ems too

Probably a hot take. But Tyler being Introspective just seems hollow to me.