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  • Jan 24, 2023
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    BRAVE

    Artists who are complete unknowns need albums to get off the ground

    Would disagree with this.

    In recent times, newer artists tend to blow up off of a hot song or a couple of viral hits, then that initial project is what gets fans to stick around.

    Artists like Yeat, Coi Leray, Glorilla, Ice Spice, and PinkPantheress all blew up off of singular songs, and then released projects to capitalize off of that initial hype.

    You can obviously raise your chances by dropping project after project and hoping one song will stick, but it’s very rare that a new artist in today’s climate will gain an initial buzz by way of a full length release

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    p r o v i d e r

    i think the thread would do better with some examples to put it into perspective, if you have some. cause right now i'm not really understanding the type of entry level artist you're referring to.

    Someone who has immediate access to like 300 plays at most. Like really really unknown

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    shaleirose

    Would disagree with this.

    In recent times, newer artists tend to blow up off of a hot song or a couple of viral hits, then that initial project is what gets fans to stick around.

    Artists like Yeat, Coi Leray, Glorilla, Ice Spice, and PinkPantheress all blew up off of singular songs, and then released projects to capitalize off of that initial hype.

    You can obviously raise your chances by dropping project after project and hoping one song will stick, but it’s very rare that a new artist in today’s climate will gain an initial buzz by way of a full length release

    I agree with all this, as it pertains to artists with some sizable group of people who already know of them on social media. Or they have connections or funding of some sort. None of this applies to absolutely unknown individuals who are bringing in like a couple hundred eyes at most from the getgo imo

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    BRAVE
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    I agree with all this, as it pertains to artists with some sizable group of people who already know of them on social media. Or they have connections or funding of some sort. None of this applies to absolutely unknown individuals who are bringing in like a couple hundred eyes at most from the getgo imo

    Everyone I named, besides arguably Coi, were virtually unknowns before their songs started blowing up.

    PinkPantheress literally released her first song in 2021, the same year she blew up

  • BRAVE

    Someone who has immediate access to like 300 plays at most. Like really really unknown

    word i guess you said as much in op, rereading it. idk i'm not so sure it's that cut and dry at that stage tbh. especially in the climate music is in rn. actual examples would strengthen either argument but i'm too tired to think of artists that fit that exact criteria lol

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    BRAVE

    I agree with all this, as it pertains to artists with some sizable group of people who already know of them on social media. Or they have connections or funding of some sort. None of this applies to absolutely unknown individuals who are bringing in like a couple hundred eyes at most from the getgo imo

    so like the artists here on ktt, for example?

  • Jan 24, 2023
    BRAVE

    Gaining any traction. Hell even a few thousand plays and views. But the level of traction isn’t the part that matters, hence why I didn’t harp on it. It’s the level of being completely unknown with no access to any “advantages” and gaining traction that I’m talking about

    Ohh then I don't think this true at all. I know some ground level artists with thousands of listens just off a random song dropped on soundcloud or whatever.

    Even tay k for example got a few thousands listens off his first couple songs before he got sign. A hot single or a viral moment can do much more than a body of work nowadays, especially since playlisting is so big now

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    shaleirose

    Everyone I named, besides arguably Coi, were virtually unknowns before their songs started blowing up.

    PinkPantheress literally released her first song in 2021, the same year she blew up

    Were they ktt user unknown? Cause when I say unknown I mean very very very very very unknwon. I’m not talking “they had a few to a dozen thousand followers on social media” unknown

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    BRAVE

    Artists who are complete unknowns need albums to get off the ground

    i don't think albums are necessary until you pop off
    they might help but as an underground artist most people won't care
    body of work meaning catalog / lots of quality music out then yeah i agree though

  • Jan 24, 2023
    p r o v i d e r

    so like the artists here on ktt, for example?

    Yeah

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    BRAVE

    Were they ktt user unknown? Cause when I say unknown I mean very very very very very unknwon. I’m not talking “they had a few to a dozen thousand followers on social media” unknown

    PinkPantheress was a literal nobody at university in London getting around 15 likes on SoundCloud before she blew up via TikTok

  • i mean a lot of times unknown artists have poppin singles that catch the attention of a label who give them a deal and help create their first real projects. i'd call that gaining traction

  • Jan 24, 2023
    whippet volverse

    i don't think albums are necessary until you pop off
    they might help but as an underground artist most people won't care
    body of work meaning catalog / lots of quality music out then yeah i agree though

    This. Most listeners don’t care about albums until they’ve already formed a connection with the artist through singular songs / social media presence

  • Jan 24, 2023
    Bernie X

    You can go even further n say they don’t need albums

    Just cool pictures of them up on the internet

    This is me in a few months ngl

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    shaleirose

    PinkPantheress was a literal nobody at university in London getting around 15 likes on SoundCloud before she blew up via TikTok

    Hmm didn’t know this. That changes things tremendously. I say we make this a tiktok thread now lol

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    Bernie X

    You can go even further n say they don’t need albums

    Just cool pictures of them up on the internet

    At a certain point, fans will want & expect a full length release from an upcoming artist. You have a short window of time to drop that first initial project before you lose all your buzz and momentum, which is exactly what happened with SoFaygo

  • Jan 24, 2023
    BRAVE

    Hmm didn’t know this. That changes things tremendously. I say we make this a tiktok thread now lol

    TikTok is interesting because it feels like artists are blowing up faster than ever before with it, but it’s such a splintered app with so many different sub-sections that the artists blowing up from it are still relatively unknown on a general audience level.

    For example, PinkPantheress’s first project didn’t even debut in the Top 70, but she’s absolutely huge online and on that app specifically

  • Jan 24, 2023

    So what should I do when I first release music on dsp?

  • Jan 24, 2023
    Bernie X

    You can go even further n say they don’t need albums

    Just cool pictures of them up on the internet

    Yeah so their fans can have them as their pfp and spread their agenda

  • Jan 24, 2023
    shaleirose

    Would disagree with this.

    In recent times, newer artists tend to blow up off of a hot song or a couple of viral hits, then that initial project is what gets fans to stick around.

    Artists like Yeat, Coi Leray, Glorilla, Ice Spice, and PinkPantheress all blew up off of singular songs, and then released projects to capitalize off of that initial hype.

    You can obviously raise your chances by dropping project after project and hoping one song will stick, but it’s very rare that a new artist in today’s climate will gain an initial buzz by way of a full length release

    The last artist I can think of where there was hype around their project rather than a song of theirs was die for my b**** by baby keem (besides the Kendrick relation stuff because that wasn’t known publicly)

  • Jan 24, 2023

    yea i actually think in the current media atmosphere it's a total 180 from OP's original contention

    sure a project will allow you to present the audience with a fully formed persona to engage with but, like, aint nobody gonna listen to that s*** if you drop it with no internet presence or following

    in an era where projects are de-emphasized for singles and social media, you have to build your persona through those avenues and then they will come

  • Jan 24, 2023

    Unless you're making music as a hobby with 0 intentions of a career, this is pretty horrible advice. Unknown artists, please don't waste months or even years of your life crafting an album most people will not bother clicking on.

  • Jan 24, 2023
    shaleirose

    At a certain point, fans will want & expect a full length release from an upcoming artist. You have a short window of time to drop that first initial project before you lose all your buzz and momentum, which is exactly what happened with SoFaygo

    True

  • Jan 24, 2023

    Although I think if Faygo just kept dropping singles and loosies he’d have been alright

  • Jan 24, 2023
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    I agree

    We first really started seeing this in the late 2000s/early 2010s when artist’s were putting everything they had into a mixtape that they treated like an album