Nah, we're just saying in terms of relevance and quality product, Wayne and Tip are in similar places in their rap careers at this point

Wayne did hella d****. What's Tips excuse aside from being rich and uninspired?

TI had a run as the best rapper alive and he had a dope movie too

those are pretty much the prerequisites to be in that upper echelon

i'm not mad at it

salute to him

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I don’t think they’re the same in relevancy either. Wayne not as big no more but I don’t see T.I. doing 140k first week in 2020 like Funeral

Wayne's got a strong fanbase which is why a weed plate like Funeral does that kind of sales without a single.

multiple prison stints in his mainstream crossover era and his subject matter revolving around a lifestyle he couldn't realistically still engage in?

24s/Motivation/ASAP absolutely get that same less than 60 second spin thru that all the 00's records get now lol

but im in the south

He got knocked a decade ago.

If hes as nice as he feels he is he would've figured it out by now

Wayne still does big numbers because of the work he put into the game.

Musically, Tip just didnt do enough.

Like I said, hes still fairly young. He can make a 4:44 type album and solidify his legacy.

I dont think he will tho.

this whats happen if you really don't have a fanbase, so you have to declare it yourself your albums are as good as other appreciated albums

you niggas were rly going back and forth with that geek for 5 pages

Hymen

Exactly. Hes a regional act at this point.

They aren't playing any T.I. pass the mason/dixon line.

Might hear some Wayne or Kanye tho.

Maybe even some 50 or Nelly

By the time he comes home it's future/keef/thug era and he's a street rapper on probation approaching his 40's

he bounced back nicely by taking his career in the more political realm lyrically and has contributed everything he needs to contribute to be considered a legend

again i hate that he started this convo bc this is basically a convo about how many white people in their 30's and 40's know you. he could drop ten 4:44 style albums that are classics and his place in this convo wouldn't change bc of s*** like us validating wayne as a rockstar when teenage white girls liked him, songs like runaway and empire state being Hov and Ye's biggest records

he didn't make enough crossover records that white people can recognize in ten seconds or less and the culture will come up with a million reasons other than that as to why he's not on same level of ye, wayne and hov instead of just saying that lol. also there are other layers to the other ones like beyonce and business for Hov, the skating and d*** element for Wayne, fashion and the drama with Kanye. TIP just TIP

I haven't been to many clubs outside my state but I'd imagine Whatever You Like/Bring Em Out/About The Money get at least that 30 second spin thru that any 50/Nelly record from the 00s would get

Tip is 39.
He went to jail in 09 came home 2010.
It wasnt like time passed him by. He came out still poised to be on top of the game. He just made s***ty albums.

And I dont buy the white people angle. This has nothing to do with how much white folks recognize TI. It's about looking at his resume and impact and honestly evaluating it.

TI is TI and has made millions off of just that. Hes always in the media for some s*** he just cant parlay that into making good albums.

I like Tip but facts is facts. Hes a self proclaimed King. Always has been.

Maybe About The Money, maybe Bring Em Out. But Wayne is gonna get a whole set. 50 too.

Tips biggest songs are barely f***ing with Nelly or Ludas catalog, how could he f*** with the GOATs?

Imma need to hymen-check that statement

Jeezy's rise and Tip's need for mainstream validation is what really sank his career.

One you go full pop, you almost never recover musically. You leave your core fanbase for the mainstream, you cant come back.

Highkey Jay z,Wayne,Kanye the big three

This a lie

By being diverse, constantly changing his sound with each album. I don’t think people really understand how difficult that is. Many artists try and they fail every time.

at this point. TI is better than ye in rapping, but he ain’t better than jay or wayne.

Hes always been a better rapper then Kanye.

That's not the debate

How

That's literally the only difference between him and the other 3

He doesn't have that element of large white acceptance that the others achieved in that 07-09 era

His good to bad album ratio is like 4 to 6 in favor of the bad