Jun 20, 2022·2 replies
ranoThis is false equivalence, unwise to build your argument around that
Why is a height advantage after HRT different than male puberty exactly
Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mambathe gap between lebron and your average nba player is still lower than the gap between your average trans female athlete and cis female athlete
Then why are all womens sports leagues not being dominated by transwomen?
And the comparison is the advantage of being taller than 99% of the population vs the advantage of having gone thru male puberty after HRT
The pool of players is low rn. There aren’t a lot of trans athletes compared to the number of cis female athletes
Even after hrt trans women are still able to out compete cis women. Just like no amount of hormones can make a trans man competitive with cis men
- Jun 20, 2022
Q3DCrazy I'm not even American wow
Man was telling you the world doesnt revolve around americans while assuming you are american. I think I know his nationality
- OPJun 20, 2022·1 replyQ3D
Crazy I'm not even American wow
Oh I’m sorry. Your overbearing sense of entitlement led me to believe you were.
- rano 🇧🇷Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Why is a height advantage after HRT different than male puberty exactly
You know well those aren't the only differences.
I'm just telling you your argument is flawed, not trynna be annoying or anything it's just not convincing - Jun 20, 2022·1 replySHAQUILLE
The pool of players is low rn. There aren’t a lot of trans athletes compared to the number of cis female athletes
Even after hrt trans women are still able to out compete cis women. Just like no amount of hormones can make a trans man competitive with cis men
You're speaking in absolutes but that's ofc not the case, the advantage of transwomen exists, the question is how much? It's definitely less than being taller than 99.9% of the population.
Also would that mean that trans men should compete against cis women?
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyrano
You know well those aren't the only differences.
I'm just telling you your argument is flawed, not trynna be annoying or anything it's just not convincingOh so you have no argument cool
- Jun 20, 2022·2 repliesloner
Oh I’m sorry. Your overbearing sense of entitlement led me to believe you were.
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
6 ft is taller than 82% of men in the US
I'm not denying transwomen have any advantages (the scientific literature on it still isn't conclusive on that), but i'm just saying that people are focusing on this one relatively small unfair genetic advantage instead of the genetic advantage of being taller than 99.9% of the population, and there really is no reason for that because it's not like leagues where transwomen are not excluded are being dominated by transwomen, but the NBA is being dominated by people taller than 99.9% of the population
why is one unfair genetic advantage which actually has more impact not a problem less important than another unfair genetic advantage which is way less impactful? it usually just comes down to the fact that the people who focus on the latter have an agenda that has nothing to do with keeping sports leagues fair or whatever
It’s because the people within the bracket are the same s***
Two males born . One grows up to be 6 foot 2, The other grows up to be 6 foot 9The first one is Steph Curry, The other is Lebron James. They both have won 4 nba championships
Steph used his height and weight to his advantage by being quick. Changed the game by developing his ability to shoot 3s in order to overcome his own personal deficit of not being as physically strong and tall as the other players
So being tall can give you an advantage in some areas, and disadvantages in another area. Is there kind of a minimum height? Sure. It’s basically 6’2 (at this point, used to be shorter)
But that’s like saying it’s unfair that people that have a 90 IQ most likely won’t be the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies
Just like a rollercoaster there’s a minimum to get in, but then after that it’s Any body’s game 
Jun 20, 2022Slippery slope. So where do they go from here?
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyQ3D
Oh it's not gonna get better lol
Not with that mind set
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyKalamariFromParty
It’s because the people within the bracket are the same s***
Two males born . One grows up to be 6 foot 2, The other grows up to be 6 foot 9The first one is Steph Curry, The other is Lebron James. They both have won 4 nba championships
Steph used his height and weight to his advantage by being quick. Changed the game by developing his ability to shoot 3s in order to overcome his own personal deficit of not being as physically strong and tall as the other players
So being tall can give you an advantage in some areas, and disadvantages in another area. Is there kind of a minimum height? Sure. It’s basically 6’2 (at this point, used to be shorter)
But that’s like saying it’s unfair that people that have a 90 IQ most likely won’t be the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies
Just like a rollercoaster there’s a minimum to get in, but then after that it’s Any body’s gameNot even gonna entertain that comment about IQ there's so much wrong with that lol
But it's not just a minimum height, the taller you are above that height, the less skilled you have to be. Being taller is always gonna be a net positive and the only people who would deny that is mfs that never hooped
- rano 🇧🇷Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Oh so you have no argument cool
Once again, the way you are arguing isn't really worth engaging with, do you tho
- Jun 20, 2022rano
Once again, the way you are arguing isn't really worth engaging with, do you tho
Just say u just don't wanna engage lol
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
You're speaking in absolutes but that's ofc not the case, the advantage of transwomen exists, the question is how much? It's definitely less than being taller than 99.9% of the population.
Also would that mean that trans men should compete against cis women?
Nah I don’t agree. When it comes to sports I think the advantages of being a trans women far outweigh the benefits of being 6’5 or whatever.
And to answer your second question I think there should be a third league of division where anyone can compete
- Jun 20, 2022KalamariFromParty
Not with that mind set
- Jun 20, 2022·1 reply
Even if there are biological advantages the main thing should be that we are a fraction of a fraction of people lmaooo, falling for the whole trans women taking over women's sports is so stupid because we simply aren't numerous enough to do this s*** in the first place
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
I think we should exclude tall fellas from basketball leagues since short men are already marginalized in various aspects of life
Or at least create height divisions
Nobody wants to watch a bunch of short men play basketball, just like nobody wants to watch a bunch of (overly) tall men play basketball
The ideal height of the players, in comparison to the entertainment value consumed by customer; is relative to the height of the basketball hoop itself. If all the NBA players were only 5 feet, more ppl would watch the WNBA than the NBA. If all the players were 10 feet, same thing. Because one would be too hard, The other would be too easy
Which, if the WNBA lowered their rims by a couple inches, more people would probably watch because that would open up dunking which adds another dimension to the sport and makes it more fun to watch
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replySHAQUILLE
Nah I don’t agree. When it comes to sports I think the advantages of being a trans women far outweigh the benefits of being 6’5 or whatever.
And to answer your second question I think there should be a third league of division where anyone can compete
When it comes to basketball it absolutely is a much bigger advantage to be tall than to have gone thru male puberty. The advantages in strength significantly decrease after HRT.
There are proportionately way more ridiculously tall people in the NBA than there are trans women in WNBA (if there even are any)
And who would participate in that third league? Trans men and trans women? There are gonna be advantages there as well
- Jun 20, 2022KalamariFromParty
Nobody wants to watch a bunch of short men play basketball, just like nobody wants to watch a bunch of (overly) tall men play basketball
The ideal height of the players, in comparison to the entertainment value consumed by customer; is relative to the height of the basketball hoop itself. If all the NBA players were only 5 feet, more ppl would watch the WNBA than the NBA. If all the players were 10 feet, same thing. Because one would be too hard, The other would be too easy
Which, if the WNBA lowered their rims by a couple inches, more people would probably watch because that would open up dunking which adds another dimension to the sport and makes it more fun to watch
Fwiw i agree with lowering the rim for women but you're not really adressing the actual argument
Jun 20, 2022Scratchin MambaI think we should exclude tall fellas from basketball leagues since short men are already marginalized in various aspects of life
Or at least create height divisions
it's called the g league bro
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyQ3D
Even if there are biological advantages the main thing should be that we are a fraction of a fraction of people lmaooo, falling for the whole trans women taking over women's sports is so stupid because we simply aren't numerous enough to do this s*** in the first place
It’s not about taking over it’s about taking someone else’s place
If the sport in question is highly important to the trans person in question, I don’t see why they wouldn’t just make the personal sacrifice to compete in the sport that has the category of people they share the same s***that they themselves were born with
Sports are a privilege and are a business. Personal life and affairs don’t really have any place in them , for men nor women. If it’s the day of competition nobody is gonna care if your mom died that morning you still gotta compete this afternoon or else you lose
- Jun 20, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
When it comes to basketball it absolutely is a much bigger advantage to be tall than to have gone thru male puberty. The advantages in strength significantly decrease after HRT.
There are proportionately way more ridiculously tall people in the NBA than there are trans women in WNBA (if there even are any)
And who would participate in that third league? Trans men and trans women? There are gonna be advantages there as well
Even after HRT they’re still able to outcompete women and are physically capable of more than women are.
I hate to keep bringing it up but the fact that trans women over compete and trans men under compete should show your right there that the biology is still there
- Jun 20, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Not even gonna entertain that comment about IQ there's so much wrong with that lol
But it's not just a minimum height, the taller you are above that height, the less skilled you have to be. Being taller is always gonna be a net positive and the only people who would deny that is mfs that never hooped
Do you know who Bol Bol is? Or Tacko Fall? Or even Rudy Gobert? Being “taller” isn’t always a positive if you start to become too tall. You will be too slow to be able to react to someone like kyrie Irving
And like I said; the ideal height of the player is relative to the height of the rim… nothing else
And the warriors just beat the Celtics in the finals, despite being a much shorter and not as physically strong team