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  • Jun 13, 2020
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    discman

    yes, I read that. but I don't believe that is true. while it could empower a doctor to refuse to treat a transgender person, a doctor could only refuse to treat nonbio-gender ailments. this would open the doctor up to litigation and be costly for the doctor.

    it's a technicality that is interesting but doesn't make sense. a transgender person has a right to be treated according to their natal gender, according to the amendment Donald trump has made.

    if this causes transgender ppl to die from not receiving adequate care I would be surprised but also upset.

    Why don’t you believe what the law says?

  • Jun 13, 2020

    One day people will realize they're on the wrong side of history and it'll be too late, you spent your whole life lickin boots and riding on hateful waves

    instead of being compassionate, toward people you may not understand, but recognize they ought to have the same rights you do.

    The fact that we all end up lost, but ought to look out for each other if we are capable.

    F*** outta here with letting s*** like this slide

  • Jun 13, 2020
    DZE

    Why don’t you believe what the law says?

    it doesn't say that. they're trying to make it look like that this change will enable physicians to decline to treat transgender people. this is not true. I will do more research though to confirm what I'm saying here. Let me read the full npr article.

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    Sponge2ChanBob

    meanwhile thats kinda an ignorant way to refer to transgender people

    "transgenders"

    u could say trans people or transgender people and it sounds better. or the trans community. or something

    You gotta understand that a lot of these terms are somewhat new to people. Be a bit more patient and understanding

  • Jun 13, 2020
    bobby j

    You gotta understand that a lot of these terms are somewhat new to people. Be a bit more patient and understanding

    I am patient and understanding, if you were a bit more patient to look at the posts below, the person i quoted responding with a thanks, and I said everythings cool just wanted to throw it out there

  • Jun 13, 2020

    Serious concerns raised by respected physicians about the propriety of sex-reassignment operations should give HHS and the OCR pause before forcing individuals, physicians, hospitals, and insurers to participate in or cover such procedures. There are a variety of reasonable medical opinions about the best treatment for gender dysphoria—a deep-seated desire to appear and be treated as a member of the opposite sex. Permanently altering, resecting, or amputating well-functioning organs of the human body is a controversial form of treatment. The federal government should not take sides in these debates through unaccountable agency action and then coercively impose that judgment on all medical professionals.

    heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/proposed-obamacare-gender-identity-mandate-threatens-freedom-conscience

    so the reversal of Obama's gender mandate means that physicans could refuse to perform Gender Confirmation Surgery, which is mutilation of the natal s***organ.

    nothing in this reversal suggests that trans access to medical care will be impinged upon.

    that is the spin machine trying to make it look like Donald trump is trying to take away trans access to medical care.

    he has discriminated against trans military service personnel, but this is a different issue. @Palm

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    Jesus this thread a f***ing mess

  • Jun 13, 2020
    Sponge2ChanBob

    This mf said "I'm ecstatic at president trumps move here"

    I feel sorry for people who know you in real life, discman

    everyone got him on their blocklist

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    what mess did I miss in the other thread

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    Jun 13, 2020
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    DEL_245

    what mess did I miss in the other thread

    @KELYE was removed by the SS

    I mean @S

    edit

    anyway we off that

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    Jun 13, 2020
    dat guy

    Jesus this thread a f***ing mess

    you mean the other one guy

  • Jun 13, 2020
    Mel

    @KELYE was removed by the SS

    I mean @​S

    edit

    anyway we off that

    That chirpy mutt gotta be half poodle

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    Mel

    @KELYE was removed by the SS

    I mean @​S

    edit

    anyway we off that

    Kelye banned?

  • Jun 13, 2020

    There should be a way where a user can’t post on certain threads after a couple warnings tbh

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  • Jun 13, 2020
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    Trump really hates anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian male

  • Jun 13, 2020
    Nozuka

    Trump really hates anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian male

    Not even that, he hates on a lot of military vets who fit that category... or anyone who calls him out

  • Jun 13, 2020

    This is unnecessarily cruel

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    i've been made aware the framing of the article is actually incorrect. apparently, trump didn't make an arbitrary decision to do this. apparently in december 2016 (so before trump was in office), federal court circuits shot down this section of the ACA, and the amendments had been considered moot because of that until now. the reversal of this is not actually a policy decision but rather a recent finalization of court decisions from 2016.

    When asked about why this court decision was done, the HHS said this; “We agree with the court’s rationale that the plain original meaning of ‘sex’ under our sex-discrimination laws referred to the biological realities of sex, and this is particularly important for programs administered or funded by HHS, because we so often deal with the scientific reality of s***in our health and research programs,” They went on to say "there was, for instance, a documented case in which a biological female who identified as a male visited a hospital complaining of abdominal pain. Because the doctors were required to treat this person according to gender identity, this biological woman, who was unknowingly pregnant, ended up delivering a stillborn child."

    whether or not you agree with the logic, the framing of the decision as trump arbitrarily reversing protections for LGBTQ (there is nothing in this about sexual orientation at all, simply gender identity) is skewed. the discourse around this should be focused on the HHS should handle distinctions in biology vs gender identity, or about the original 2016 court decision.

  • Jun 13, 2020
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    krishna bound

    i've been made aware the framing of the article is actually incorrect. apparently, trump didn't make an arbitrary decision to do this. apparently in december 2016 (so before trump was in office), federal court circuits shot down this section of the ACA, and the amendments had been considered moot because of that until now. the reversal of this is not actually a policy decision but rather a recent finalization of court decisions from 2016.

    When asked about why this court decision was done, the HHS said this; “We agree with the court’s rationale that the plain original meaning of ‘sex’ under our sex-discrimination laws referred to the biological realities of sex, and this is particularly important for programs administered or funded by HHS, because we so often deal with the scientific reality of s***in our health and research programs,” They went on to say "there was, for instance, a documented case in which a biological female who identified as a male visited a hospital complaining of abdominal pain. Because the doctors were required to treat this person according to gender identity, this biological woman, who was unknowingly pregnant, ended up delivering a stillborn child."

    whether or not you agree with the logic, the framing of the decision as trump arbitrarily reversing protections for LGBTQ (there is nothing in this about sexual orientation at all, simply gender identity) is skewed. the discourse around this should be focused on the HHS should handle distinctions in biology vs gender identity, or about the original 2016 court decision.

  • Jun 13, 2020
    dat guy

    it's like 4 sentences, the middle is just a quote