Unironically, this thread was needed.

Yall gotta get that weird pervert’s d*** out yall mouths

fair

They both are better producers than rappers, that's for sure. Kanye is much more pleasant to listen to though. Tyler's voice still sounds like it fits best over the gimmicky stuff he made at the start of his career, and it overshadows his improved songwriting.

Yeah ye early sound was a million times more innovative all Tyler did was recreate a sound that’s already been made and made it worse. Rapping wise I’ll give it to him but ye had never been known to be lyrical

Unfortunately as much as it would be cool for sequels of artists to successfully be a thing anyone who is a Kanye or Tyler or Pac or Wayne or Drake or Hov or Kendrick etc is only them because they the first them

I’d agree if Donda was shorter, they kinda equal imo

s*** like come to life and off the grid is crazy
but also s*** like sweet/i thought and wusyaname are very groovy

"mid ass Donda"

The Ye comparisons are crazy cuz it's not even like Tyler is bad or uncreative, quite the opposite, but he's nowhere near the level of prime Ye. Matter fact, I'm not sure if we'll ever see that marriage of boundary pushing and mass appeal that we saw with prime Kanye.

On one hand it feels that way but Ye himself say he bit Dr Dre Xxplosive drums to start that soul wave

And his earlier beats from the mid 90’s at the age Tyler would have been at sound like Hitmen/typical s*** of the time although still crazy lol

Call Me if You Turn Christian vs Call Me if You Turn 18

I'd say Kanye has many verses people revisit but the common knowledge of him being a producer rapper who uses writers makes him seen as more of an artist.

He's definitely not a Jay or Nas at all especially in 2024 but Ye had many good verses such as on Gone, DFSL, CTMN, All Falls Down, Gorgeous, DIAND, Saint Pablo, Famous, Otis, Kids See Ghosts, Crack Music, Everything I Am, Jesus Lord, etc.

So, he's not really a lyricist like that but I wouldn't say Ye is a Travis/Carti type where the lyrics literally don't matter at all.

Great song, too many bad vocal chop ups tho. That was the prelude to the AI slop.

So Far Gone was in that vein of being boundary pushing with mass appeal and then he did what Ye never did and kinda stayed in that aesthetic / sound for an extended period of time

I wish Ye made like 2-3 Graduation era albums but he would have fell into that same trap

One song from a sea of bloat

Maybe the worst song on the album and perfectly encapsulates everything wrong with the Deluxe version of that album.

my beautiful dark twisted fantasy was written about tyler the creator

And I hate that Ye's ego let that s*** get to him because he was still one of one regardless, and now.... Long sigh, Lights cigarette

Man what

Hot take cesspool

Donda was solid.

Neither great nor mid.

If it was truly mid, it would've gotten the DOA treatment like JIK and Vultures did and niggas would've been d***riding CLB to the high heavens on this site.

But clearly that isn't what happened at all. Donda was praised a lot here and had people saying that Kanye's back. People were rooting for Kanye on the level of Kendrick in 2024 after it dropped.

People just started to fall out of love with it because of the negative turn Ye took over time but the album had tons of songs niggas loved like Jesus Lord, Hurricane, Moon, Come To Life, Believe in What I Say, Jail, Off The Grid, Life Of The Party, etc.

Pound for pound, I'd argue Donda's ratio is slightly better than TLOP's despite it's slop and bad songs. But I understand that's a hot take.

If you posted here when Donda dropped though, you'd know it was never viewed the same way as JIK or Vultures. Or, hell, even Ye(the album).

It’s a haphazardly thrown together mishmash of two verses that have no business being together. I remember when the Drake diss version leaked, people said it was in bad taste to have it connected to such a beautiful Andre verse, but the official released version isn’t much better in that regard. It’s slightly more on topic in the beginning but Ye loses it by the end and the awkward choppy flow is just not it. End the song after Andre’s verse or start the song after and only listen to Ye’s and try to salvage something from it, but listening to the entire song is a laughably bad experience.

Cap.before he admitted to using a whole team for lyrics, he was seen as a lyricist

Staying on topic though, it's good to see Tyler's run from 2017-2024.

Dropping 4 quality albums that don't rehash formulas in a row isn't easy.

And I like that Tyler doesn't need smash hits or bangers to hold people's interest.

He has one of the strongest organic followings in rap right now. And I'm glad we got another big(and quality) rap album to fill in the gap for the drought we had this fall.

But he made it his own. With Tyler you clearly hear the influences and that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the listener. I agree with you though