notbrock

2y

This is a different discussion

What said before still isn’t making any sense. You said 33 is old and kids don’t connect to that but that’s objectively not true because the biggest artists in the genre are almost 30 or 30+

Blue Genes

2y

what interview is this

gnarlynasty

2y

Making 200 songs with all the same intentions behind them, hoping one of them will stick, has the same effort as an insurance salesman going door to door, hoping someone will buy insurance from them, even though they don't believe in the product.

There's effort, but there's also 0 respect for the artform, 0 craftsmanship.

LaSean

2y

Yeah thats why the rappers selling the most are all 30+

Stupid, outdated, regurgitated ageist opinion

Malcolm

2y

Why aren't there anymore superstars like Michael Jackson? Have artists and music fallen off so badly that no one can do the same numbers and have the same reach and longevity as MJ?

Valentine

2y

Weeknd? Taylor? Bad Bunny? Drake? Beyoncé? Harry Styles? Billie? Morgan Wallen? Ed Sheeran? Karol G? Kendrick?

Not MJ level, but major superstars and showing longevity and massive reach

lanceylancey

2y

"tell these black kids they can be who they are, die your hair blue, s*** i'll do it too" was appealing to white girls, noted.

SyIIabIes

2y

“Where the tall freckled white boys at cuz I don’t f*** with niggas”

Malcolm

2y

Like you said not MJ level. Why is that?

Valentine

2y

no one has ever reached that level aside from MJ so what is even your point bruh? I gave you superstars with longevity and massive reach. MJ was an anomaly

Malcolm

2y

Music landscape is different now than it was back then.

Valentine

2y

well yea but you’re still not making any sense rn

Campari

2y

Tyler thinks because he knows what a chord progression is and tossed a group of violinists in a room he can start looking down on the genre that made him. He has a history of this weird elitist mentality - by far the most obnoxious musician.

Worldpremiere_

2y

Yeah, thats a fundamental disagreement then. Cause i believe the opposite

in my opinion, if youre making art purely for fiscal gain and youre proud of it, its gonna show in some way.

whether its through trash music, pretentious persona, or lack of respect for art as a whole etc. Passion is intregal to truly great art. Cause theres so much time that has to be put in. Natural talent can only take you so far. The painstaking practice, efforts, and sacrifices that have to be made to make truly great works cant be done by someone who just wants a quick buck.

I feel like ice spice is great neutral example

She has natural talent and charisma and had genuinely good songs and verses, but doesnt seem to be willing to practice and challenge herself artistically. Doesnt really seem to find joy in the craft for the crafts sake, and doesnt try to be like that either nor does she speak on anything. and thats fine.

Its a problem when one tries to be a torch bearer and speak for "the culture" in any way, or try to act like they have speaking room on music when they arent nerds about it. we cant let that slide

Worldpremiere_

2y

I think that part is a fine line

You got newer artists like hardrock that seem to do nothing but make music. Bro had 800 songs leak and he wasnt even phased. plus he dont drop often like that. Some artists just have a different way of working.

Or even playboi carti who literally never really leaves his home studio and prob has countless songs at this point.

I feel like that counts for something in terms of craft and passion for the artform.

Now if you an artist who creates like that and just drops it all with no consideration, thats a different story and should not be allowed

Campari

2y

Tyler thinks because he knows what a chord progression is and tossed a group of violinists in a room he can start looking down on the genre that made him. He has a history of this weird elitist mentality - by far the most obnoxious musician.

FOREVA

2y

i see some good points in your post, it’s just that a lot of “underground/newgen“ artists i listen to get put in that box instantly. people put a ceiling on them immediately, not giving them any room to grow which is not fair and hypocritical when you look at tyler back then vs now. someone said it very well itt that tyler was allowed to “blossom“ while some others are ridiculed almost immediately.

i don’t think everyone has to want to be the absolute best at what they do or even try to. niches exist for a reason and some people are just better off finding their lane and sticking with it. that’s not a bad thing imo. knowing what you do best and maximizing it is also a skill. maybe not as impressive as being able to make music in every genre, but it still is a skill.

i agree though that IF someone were to talk all that s*** without having any evidence to show for it, they absolutely must not get the credit they seek for.

william cubit

2y

why would tyler of all people say this. acting like people didn't perceive odd future as "meme music".

if u make music ur a musician! if u make music that many other people like to listen to, u deserve some respect for it! does not matter if ur deathly serious or if ur joking around the whole time.

just another instance of tyler being pretentious and exposing his lack of appreciation for hip-hop

Malcolm

2y

You do realize that most of them have a fanbase that's a bit older right. I'm sure the average age for a tyler fan is like 24 years old.

Peep what the youth is actually listening to and what rappers and styles of rap they are emulating/inspired by and none of it sounds like Tyler or any of those older rappers you're talking about.

gnarlynasty

2y

It all depends, good rappers can create at any time, thus recording alot. And if your a dope rapper, even throwaways are worth a listen. Good artist are different, look at Frank, I think he's going through writers block and can't be bothered to create, when the moment hits him, he'll know.

But now, motherfuckers aren't either, they have a formula they follow, and since originality isn't really a thing now, they can churn out song after song without worrying about any type of quality. That's salesmen type s***, not artistry.

voriox

2y

nigga 33 is not old you niggas are sick with that ageism mess s*** is sad. tyler likes a lot of younger dudes anyway that’s not at all what he’s talking about. just keep it a buck and admit yall hate tyler atp

Malcolm

2y

Streaming and now tiktok completely changed the landscape. Asking why can't rappers nowdays develop a real fanbase or have longevitiy compared to rappers that came 10+ years before them is not a fair comparison. The game is different.

voriox

2y

nigga 33 is not old you niggas are sick with that ageism mess s*** is sad. tyler likes a lot of younger dudes anyway that’s not at all what he’s talking about. just keep it a buck and admit yall hate tyler atp

Malcolm

2y

Streaming and now tiktok completely changed the landscape. Asking why can't rappers nowdays develop a real fanbase or have longevitiy compared to rappers that came 10+ years before them is not a fair comparison. The game is different.