MJ was gonna do like 50 straight sold out shows in London before he died

You keep coming up with the stupidest examples because you genuinely have zero idea what you're talking about

I’m not moving the goal post I never was arguing that tour single handedly makes an artist bigger than another im a different person with my own opinion

Dawg you said "the more expensive fee to see an artist, that artist is bigger"

MJ had more attending but a lower ticket price. you tripping over your dumb takes.

"was" tf imma do with that?

Tell the class why he was unable to do those shows.

That’s not what I said at all

I said if people are WILLING to spend a more expensive fee to see an artist, the artist is bigger.

Weeknd is charging at least $150 for a ticket to his stadium tour right now and it’s selling really well. That’s the minimum.

If a smaller artist was charging people $150 minimum to a show, the venue would be empty

Age is a huge factor lmao if someone has 13 year old fans their parents probably not letting them go to a show alone. Especially a certain type of rappers show.

Also these new artist coming out in the festival era at a disadvantage because a fan can just pay $200 to see all their favs at once instead of spending $100 going to every single artist show. It’s not cut and dry as y’all making it. Touring and Music consumption aren’t correlated like that anymore

I looked it up he was gonna do $50m. That ain't even s*** compared to the biggest acts according to one dude

Idk if y’all are still arguing but I got an Artist Management book from a class I took if you don’t believe us. It covers everything itt

Yes they are still correlated.

All of the biggest artists in the world right now are huge on touring.

Drake, Taylor, Bruno, Adele, Kendrick, Beyonce, Weeknd, Rihanna (when she drops), Bieber, Post Malone, Bad Bunny, BTS, etc.

They all spend at least year+ touring around the world, and they’re the biggest artists on the planet. It’s correlated.

Certain artists only tour North America because they don’t have the global reach to do other countries. Why do you think only the biggest artists are headlining shows around the world outside of the US?

50 million pounds for the first 10 shows

They added 40 more

Do some quick math

You talking about a tour that never happened my guy. Ed Sheeran did 800m according to dude he's bigger.

The list makes my point. Besides post Malone all those artist came out pre streaming and pre festivals dominating.

There’s a reason the biggest artist from the new gen aren’t touring like the ones from last gen. Music and fans have changed.

Also proves age matters because when touring revenue is reeleased it’s usually the older artist and bands etc with the best touring sales. You have to build a touring history. A fan can just stream your music now. They are still a fan.

Why did the tour not happen? Was it because he didn't sell enough tickets?

Ed also did damn near 300 shows to make that 800M.

Context matters

Travis Scott. Billie Eilish. Bad Bunny.

All became big after streaming and all sell out their tours. That’s just a few.

We need to find out the ticket price to determine if he's a bigger artist...

You’re fighting for your life ITT to prove a point that’s so wrong it’s hilarious

Look how short that list is. You know there are a lot more popping artist with a lot of fans out there bro.

The 2 aren’t as correlated as they used to be. Especially with rap being the biggest genre now that’s a whole other discussion about the problems a street rapper face getting fans to come to shows vs pop artist

Anyone keep they ticket stub from the U2 concert back in 09'? Trying to find the price it was sold at

Literally most the people I grew up around have never been to a live show or just went to their first one in their 20s. We can’t just judge off who can afford to go to concerts lol

Alright this one is 22.50

I just said that’s just a few

cant even hide my smile