but nah i think most
people agree marcberg
was the jumping off point

it's my least listened to roc joint though

S*** you right thank you for the correction

Word. A lot of artists are riding his wave.

Same, only a few tracks here and there I go back to this occasionally

Fully agree

Been using covid quarantine to dig deeper through this stuff

Certainly not disappointed

Not really. Nothing super creative coming out of underground to be honest. Just a lot of great music.

1. You don't think an artist like billy woods is creative? Or Ka? I think anyone would admit that a crew like Griselda is not doing much new, but to me, those at the top of the top are extremely creative/prolific.

2. Why does the music have to be "creative" to be considered a golden era, and why not just great? Kinda a semantic distinction but still

Who you been checking out?

Billy Woods is the exception. His music is creative but most underground rap has the same content and formula. Not even dope conceptually when you look at what actually gets spins.

It has to be creative because it should be. There isn’t anything to lose at that level. The music is great But underground in the 2000s was BTH, and Madvillany. Those weren’t just great albums but very creative with substance etc.

i'm here 4 this debate

If the "exception" is woods, then you have to consider people like Mach, Elucid, Ka, and (I would argue) Marciano. And of course––you're completely right that it's the same content, but where the creativity comes in is in the formula, the sounds. The content is so same-y because the same conditions are affecting a lot of these artists (and most rap artists, "creative" or not)––that is, coming from poverty, experiences with d*** and gun violence, witnessing gentrification, etc.

Okay I don't disagree with that. But idk bro, I'd point to several of the albums mentioned in OP for a case of their creativity––HKTS, Reloaded, H.B.O., Paraffin, etc. This new decade has birthed a lot of genius s*** imo.

Been a fan of roc and Griselda for a while but I’ve been listening to billy woods, ka, Chris crack, and anything I can get my hands on by mach

Slums + affiliates have been in rotation for a while now as well

creative in terms of uniqueness?
lojii.bandcamp.com/album/lofeye

Good man. Respect

MIKE and Mavi my favorites from slums for sure. A lot of good music from them all around tho

Hidden Character

I fw with the underground scene cause they always stay true to that real hip hop.

did you see that Ja dunk???

Yeah his landings be scaring me but his hops remind me of prime D Rose

Thought that was DJ Akademiks and Roc at first

True, and they still push it forward