Problem is unless they have money itll be really hard for a artist to market themself

Labels can give them a loan if they see they have potential

There's a way to do this without owning the artist or their music

I mean yes

At the end of the days they’re the intermediary between the artist and the consumer

That’s what’s a middleman is
There can absolutely be risk involved and etc and im not using the term middleman to suggest that a label is completely unnecessary
That’s just the role they play in the market

It is tho. If you don’t want your art to be a product, then just don’t play the commercial game. Stay independent, keep your masters and your money.

You just can’t ask to become as big as Drake or Trav by putting millions you don’t own into ad budgets year after year and then ask for total ownership of the product

Thats basically what the advance is tho

Its probably better than a loan since theres no interest and if you flop its on the label not you

If it was then people wouldn't have label issues, they could buy out their music and release music whenever and however they want

The label owns them and holds them in the nuts

Lil Wayne a multi millionaire could not release Carter 5 only YEARS later

The game shouldn't be like that

great point. Drake & Travis are prime examples of why art shouldn’t be a product

Yea tbh never got why labels dont allow artists to release

Everythings a product even war

If youve seen The Boys its so accurate bc superheroes would be a product too if they were real

bc the debt artists owe labels has interest, so the longer the label holds new music hostage, the more debt the artist owes the label. it’s completely f***ed but @op probably masturbates to the thought of having the opportunity to take advantage of a naive up-and-coming artist like that

Depends... Is it an artist/entertainer, or just an entertainer?

If ur a pop star, and all ur s***s written for, u arent entitled to s***.

If u wrote all ur f***in hits, it doesnt really matter what a contract says, take it to court, ur prolly get ur masters.

Here’s the thing: Drake gets to do that because there’s no risk tied to a Drake record, either for him or for the label

A law comes into effect tomorrow saying that only licensing deals should be put in place in the music business and what do you think happens? No more big artists like Baby or even Yachty, way less deals are cut, etc.

love The Boys. & yea, war is literally the most profitable business, that’s why the USA has such a high military budget.

You know how many albums got over by labels?

Just an example Jeremih's Late Nights, got f***ed up because of label drama it should've been huge

How do you deal with session musicians or producers that worked on the album paid by the label? Shouldn't they get some ownership of the masters too?

S***'s a really complicated problem IMO, if artists have deals where they get their masters back then everyone else that worked on it should get a cut, but Kanye ain't gonna say Consequence should own part of his song.

Dam it really is a loan thats f***ed actually

Lil Wayne is a good example of a child groomed into a record deal

Art stops becoming a product and there’s no "Drake", there’s no "Travis Scott", there’s no "Kanye West"

Was completely uneducated on this. I assumed advances was an investment but artists are required to pay it back.. wtf

good. those three are the McDonald’s of rap.

yup. Kreayshawn is still literally millions in debt to her label and they took every penny of profits from Gucci Gucci