It take two to tango in consensual circumstances. A woman’s and man’s accountability level should be the same in a society that preaches equality.

For you to have your opinion means you do not believe in equality. Which is okay if you don’t, not everyone does. However, it is hypocritical to not afford men the same opportunity as women in an equal society regardless of personal feelings.

So choose a side, you are either for or against equality. Keep in mind, not every nation is pro-equality, so if this you maybe you’d be better off in one of those countries.

if you bring up that the box is for procreation only but then say how you gonna be deadbeat until they make a 100% effective condom then I don't wanna hear you say your balloon knot is different

let her in there brother

You’re dead wrong op.

You can’t undo every mistake, and you do not reserve the right to omit your child and his mother of a father figure and man to raise a household with. If you try and try and it doesn’t work out that’s one thing, but straight up walking out is a nonoption. If the woman wants to have it, she will. Whether you took the risk having unprotected s***or it was an accident, you must take responsibility.

Nobody asked for your respect and I wouldn’t give it either. Whether it be a man or woman who aborted or abandoned.

But again, this isn’t about personal feelings.

You don’t have to respect someone to respect their rights.

He even said “in my opinion” there is no opinion in the matter. If you have a child. You raise it. In their life.

Currently people see no problem with the fact that:

If I want a baby, and she doesn't, there's no baby. She gets to live her life like normal.

If she wants a baby, and I don't, there's a baby and I'm financially tied to it for 18 years.

Stop f***ing natalists bro

Nutting in my anti-natalist wife>>>>

lol bruh this makes no sense

Just bc I have to insert something in, vs her receive something in... does not mean anything

I do think you were on the right track at first though in terms of men and women having different roles in parenting, biologically and socially

But in terms of baby making, it’s an equal playing field

So men must take responsibility? But women don’t have to and it’s cool?

That’s not equality.

To each his own man I just hope you take care of your children if you ever have them, kids benefit a great deal from having both parents actively in their lives

Why do you keep saying "you nutted in her, you knew the consequences" condom ain't never break on you? Birth control fails. S*** I've literally had girls refuse to get off when they're riding and I say I'm close to nutting and the argue with me about taking plan b (also not 100%). So stop making it black and white dude

Unpopular opinion: If you busted inside of her and made a baby, that's on you

I didn’t say any f***ing thing about women not taking responsibility. The choice of whether or not they have the baby is entirely theirs, although a good woman will take your feelings into account.

Try again. Or don’t, and just never have sex.

If you don’t believe men should be afforded the same legal rights as women, then you don’t believe in quality plain and sinple.

Can’t be on both sides.

Yeah there's a noticeable dash of naivety in OP's words rn. Last thing that matters here is his opinion. Doesn't want the accountability and is directly placing the argument of taking care of an already born child to a woman deciding what to do with her body in the 1st trimester

this is honesty a tricky subject so im trying to word my self carefully

I think we can both agree that both parties have a responsibility to the child they brought in.

However, a womans role in “leaving” the child vs a mans is much more apparent and shes held more accountable. For whatever reason she has, SHE is the one who has to to and get the abortion. SHE has to see the life growing in her be extinguished and SHE has to have it removed (depending on the stage)

Like bro:

“ Your cervix opening is gradually widened with rods of increasing size and a slim tube is then inserted into your uterus. The pregnancy (the fetus and the placenta) is withdrawn with gentle suction. Another instrument called a curette is used to check the uterus is empty.”

Idk man. This thread is making me think so i thank you for that but a man can never know that kind of… intimacy? With taking the possibility of life. He can literally just walk away cut off contact and boom thats it. Never has to think to hard about it again

How do you forget this? Watching doctors open you up and remove it? To me its not equal

You are not entitled to an abortion. If she has the baby she has the baby. Your child is entitled to your presence in their life, if nothing else.

You do not have the right to do that, legally
Legally, you are required to at least financially support those children

If you wanted a child from a woman and she gets an abortion, does she pay you for child support / emotional damages?

I didn't see that yet I'll read it in a bit just got home. But doesn't change what I said, two s***ty parents is not > one healthy parents. So the magic answer is purely in the numbers. Many many things factor in child development

Sometimes you gotta abandon ship

The choice is completely up to her, I don’t expect compensation for a kid that’s not growing inside of me

I mean s***is about pleasure and procreation. This thread is about the procreation side of sex. Besides you're making it about merely penetration, the part of me in the front that fits into the part of hers in the front is just how s***works. Now if I was f***ing her ass but wouldn't let her f*** mine, that would fit the equality narrative you're trying to run with.

no...its not the equivalent. You're not facing the choice of carrying a baby for 9 months, having it exit your vagina and facing health threats along the way. Your body can't even do these things so no you don't have anything that is "equal" to that

the decision to abort and the decision to abandon your blood are not directly related

you're forcing equality when there literally is not something equal here

y'all let this get past 1 page?

So she can have her cake and eat it too? An abortion is only as much of a entitlement as SHE makes it. Don't make it seem like this is cases where one isn't available. She doesn't want a child she does that and suffers no consequence. Men don't have that option even though you keep making it seem like the whole child is the result of solely the man. That's the hypocritical s***.