celinee

1y

@Be2ye

be2ye

1y

Our modern life is precisely so bad, because we’ve more or less drank the koolaid on nihilism and no longer believe anything has a meaning or a raison d’etre or a purpose. Life is grey and without any substance for even most religious people. Explaining anything to anyone seems to be like reading a googled fact out loud that you don’t even care to remember. We don’t absorb new thoughts like we potentially could. We don’t look at new knowledge bright eyed and intuitively. We already automatically assume, most knowledge is not worth delving too deep into and don’t dare interact with ideas with anything more than the most superficial rationality. If any new information sparks you to engage it more intuitively or transformative we either shy away from it or demonize it into being fairytales and make-believe. We have all become apathetic to learning, to knowledge, to seeking out the truth and i mean the factual objective truth. Not something that you NEED to believe because someone said so. No, instead, to believe in something because every fiber of your body believes and can make an argument simply for why it exists. Is it possible to yearn for truth so deeply that you won’t stop at a dismissive doubt?

And eventually, to believe in the knowledge so strongly that you can start to connect the dots and draw more parallels between seemingly disjointed and distant unrelated facts and events? The truth emerging by not only reason, but by the sheer power of coincidental occurrences. Like where are the great scientists of our age that make huge strides into a whole new undiscovered field of knowledge? Everything has become increasingly micro and niche. Nobody seems to think broad yet detailed enough to truly make sense of the world in our western context. We all just assume someone else will do the hard labor for us. Some scientist elsewhere, or some politician or philosopher perhaps. Some school teacher or curious kid. Who else is going to make sense of your very own existence and why you breathe air if you don’t stand up and start thinking about these things yourself?

But i’ve been there and know the answer all too well myself, we don’t believe. We don’t even believe in ourselves and have completely given in to whatever…

And another issue aside from indulging Nihilism is our western bias towards the mind. And the schism between the rational, thinking mind and the feeble, feeling body. Between rationality and experience/feelings. This big divide causes so much cognitive dissonance that it stops any curious inquirer from thinking farther ahead than his peers. The lack of creative resonance (“feeling you’re on the right track”) within oneself doesn’t allow for people to follow the flow of life through their bodies and minds instinctively. Strong men and women can act on a whim, because they know themselves and their surroundings without overthinking it. We’ve all basically became motionless heads-on-a-stick to the extreme, overly a***ytical, overly (self-)critical, such materialist beings that we can only account the feelings for pain and pleasure and not anything more sublime and enlightening that would allow us to change our perception of reality or even ourselves and smooth out our lifestyle.

Any feelings are relegated to the nether regions of the stomach and the groin. Any problems are surpressed with more distractions. And any pending thought is solely dealt with rationally. At no point in time do these worlds collide, the mind and the body of modern people have become robotic apparatuses that transform information or food so that you can continue to live a humanoid lifestyle, but at no point do they offer you a meaningful life or do they merge together into you becoming the truest and most empowered version a human being can reach. The type of person we would love to meet or be around. We usually loathe others, because we hate ourselves, for what we have become, unwillingly. We have let ourselves down and dragged down the drain of dichotomous thinking. Of separating facts from fiction, without imagining what hidden facts could emerge if we keep pondering. We don’t feel what is good for us, we’ve lost touch with our bodies, are in bad physical shape and under or overeat for a plethora of reasons. All good reasons but none that make you feel reasons to be alive. Reasons to live and to experience. Experiences that are not just letters or videos on a screen. Experiences that are not just factual or seen in a waking state. Sleep is the cousin of death, but it could also be the reason you believe in more than this life. A glimpse into another world. A world that isn’t just material or factual or superficial or meaningless or scientific or political or dumb or stupid or hateful or terrifying or sad. Maybe you dream of better days already for yourself. But dreams have the magical ability to become reality when you start to overcome the stage of disbelief which holds you back from putting energy into motion. From moving mass and changing the state of something purely theoretical into the practical, as Einstein taught us. We might not have his genius but we can sure reach more euphoria by searching for truth than by watching p***, hooking up and silencing any raw thoughts

To stop this subversive divide between the mind and the body, is to overcome the paradoxical thinking about life. The dichotomous modern person thinks merely in terms of facts and fiction, of programmed and deprogrammed. Of heroes and villains. Of true and false. Of real and unreal. Mind and body. Seperation is its ultimate outcome.

Believe me, in contrast, there are so many signs pointing towards a timeless outlook in which everything unites into one big ever coalescing picture of eternal beauty and truth. True perfection is ofcourse never reached by imperfect beings, but it does exist. Its proofs are found everywhere if you simply ask the right questions. Meaning can be found in even the smallest, most unassuming places if you care to simply look for it. If you have even read this far, my hope is that you dare to live life from a more intuitive and holistic approach beyond the hypothetical and sullen theories passed as being our best source for truth.

🌈

brickfuentes

1y

You ism niggas need y'all own section

TTU

1y

Our greatest thinkers are horndogs we must see that

Camus walked so Schrödinger could cheat

https://www.businessinsider.com/report-stephen-hawking-frequents-sex-clubs-in-his-free-time-2012-2?amp

training

1y

really needed this op. thank u.

i guess 2 things (not sure if these were answered on previous pages - didn't check):
1.) do you think a large part of this is due to society's push to fit in/confine to the norms we've set and the prevailing spread of information via the internet? any set of eccentricity is met with curiosity (if widely accepted) or shame (if detested - both the person and their acts)?

2.) what are your suggestions for overcoming this? being less online and finding things that interest you and just going deep into them (e.g. learn the history, learn how/why something works)?

the only problem some might retort with diving deep is you may neglect other aspects of life and now you've pigeonholed yourself in this one field/area. though that's basically an expert in life lol.

X7JQ9L2MF4A8Z

1y

”And another issue aside from indulging Nihilism is our western bias towards the mind. And the schism between the rational, thinking mind and the feeble, feeling body. Between rationality and experience/feelings. This big divide causes so much cognitive dissonance that it stops any curious inquirer from thinking farther ahead than his peers.”

ya ive said this a couple million times to the e-nihilists/rationalists on here and i got called a schizophrenic

good luck op

be2ye

1y

Our modern life is precisely so bad, because we’ve more or less drank the koolaid on nihilism and no longer believe anything has a meaning or a raison d’etre or a purpose. Life is grey and without any substance for even most religious people. Explaining anything to anyone seems to be like reading a googled fact out loud that you don’t even care to remember. We don’t absorb new thoughts like we potentially could. We don’t look at new knowledge bright eyed and intuitively. We already automatically assume, most knowledge is not worth delving too deep into and don’t dare interact with ideas with anything more than the most superficial rationality. If any new information sparks you to engage it more intuitively or transformative we either shy away from it or demonize it into being fairytales and make-believe. We have all become apathetic to learning, to knowledge, to seeking out the truth and i mean the factual objective truth. Not something that you NEED to believe because someone said so. No, instead, to believe in something because every fiber of your body believes and can make an argument simply for why it exists. Is it possible to yearn for truth so deeply that you won’t stop at a dismissive doubt?

And eventually, to believe in the knowledge so strongly that you can start to connect the dots and draw more parallels between seemingly disjointed and distant unrelated facts and events? The truth emerging by not only reason, but by the sheer power of coincidental occurrences. Like where are the great scientists of our age that make huge strides into a whole new undiscovered field of knowledge? Everything has become increasingly micro and niche. Nobody seems to think broad yet detailed enough to truly make sense of the world in our western context. We all just assume someone else will do the hard labor for us. Some scientist elsewhere, or some politician or philosopher perhaps. Some school teacher or curious kid. Who else is going to make sense of your very own existence and why you breathe air if you don’t stand up and start thinking about these things yourself?

But i’ve been there and know the answer all too well myself, we don’t believe. We don’t even believe in ourselves and have completely given in to whatever…

And another issue aside from indulging Nihilism is our western bias towards the mind. And the schism between the rational, thinking mind and the feeble, feeling body. Between rationality and experience/feelings. This big divide causes so much cognitive dissonance that it stops any curious inquirer from thinking farther ahead than his peers. The lack of creative resonance (“feeling you’re on the right track”) within oneself doesn’t allow for people to follow the flow of life through their bodies and minds instinctively. Strong men and women can act on a whim, because they know themselves and their surroundings without overthinking it. We’ve all basically became motionless heads-on-a-stick to the extreme, overly a***ytical, overly (self-)critical, such materialist beings that we can only account the feelings for pain and pleasure and not anything more sublime and enlightening that would allow us to change our perception of reality or even ourselves and smooth out our lifestyle.

Any feelings are relegated to the nether regions of the stomach and the groin. Any problems are surpressed with more distractions. And any pending thought is solely dealt with rationally. At no point in time do these worlds collide, the mind and the body of modern people have become robotic apparatuses that transform information or food so that you can continue to live a humanoid lifestyle, but at no point do they offer you a meaningful life or do they merge together into you becoming the truest and most empowered version a human being can reach. The type of person we would love to meet or be around. We usually loathe others, because we hate ourselves, for what we have become, unwillingly. We have let ourselves down and dragged down the drain of dichotomous thinking. Of separating facts from fiction, without imagining what hidden facts could emerge if we keep pondering. We don’t feel what is good for us, we’ve lost touch with our bodies, are in bad physical shape and under or overeat for a plethora of reasons. All good reasons but none that make you feel reasons to be alive. Reasons to live and to experience. Experiences that are not just letters or videos on a screen. Experiences that are not just factual or seen in a waking state. Sleep is the cousin of death, but it could also be the reason you believe in more than this life. A glimpse into another world. A world that isn’t just material or factual or superficial or meaningless or scientific or political or dumb or stupid or hateful or terrifying or sad. Maybe you dream of better days already for yourself. But dreams have the magical ability to become reality when you start to overcome the stage of disbelief which holds you back from putting energy into motion. From moving mass and changing the state of something purely theoretical into the practical, as Einstein taught us. We might not have his genius but we can sure reach more euphoria by searching for truth than by watching p***, hooking up and silencing any raw thoughts

To stop this subversive divide between the mind and the body, is to overcome the paradoxical thinking about life. The dichotomous modern person thinks merely in terms of facts and fiction, of programmed and deprogrammed. Of heroes and villains. Of true and false. Of real and unreal. Mind and body. Seperation is its ultimate outcome.

Believe me, in contrast, there are so many signs pointing towards a timeless outlook in which everything unites into one big ever coalescing picture of eternal beauty and truth. True perfection is ofcourse never reached by imperfect beings, but it does exist. Its proofs are found everywhere if you simply ask the right questions. Meaning can be found in even the smallest, most unassuming places if you care to simply look for it. If you have even read this far, my hope is that you dare to live life from a more intuitive and holistic approach beyond the hypothetical and sullen theories passed as being our best source for truth.

🌈

Windmaster

1y

Yall talkin bout some nihilism when world War 3 finna start

soapmanwun

1y

people itt rushing to say "didn't read" are just proving op's point LMAO

slimreapercantrap

1y

i like ur energy but u seem to be missing a pretty obvious inconsistency.

you're championing the idea of objective truth, that people should carve up their worldview according to what is true and what is false, and that they should feel passionately about these distinctions. This is explicitly indulging in duality. Imo, everyone's perspective is different, and everyone sees different things as true and false, and that's fine. The problems come when someone feels so strongly abt their way of drawing those lines that they enter into conflict with others. In other words, bad things happen when people chase duality the way you say they should.

To end your diatribe with a statement about "overcoming duality" seems pretty odd to me, seeing as you just spent the last couple paragraphs talking up duality and encouraging everyone to be more invested in it.

For the record, I strongly agree with your point about how intuition and feeling are often overshadowed by rationalism. I wish you'd see how that passionate dedication to some objective truth is a product of rationalism, and not intuitive.

intuition deals with our behavior and the "why", while reason deals with the "what". to stand strongly on "things are this way and not that way" is to overcommit to rationality. someone truly following their intuition doesn't care so much about the "what" because it's kind of irrelevant when you know what you're doing regardless. but ur urging folks to care immensely about the what.

be2ye

1y

I can see why that would sound dual but i don't agree.

The truth is objective, the truth is monolithic and holistic.
Something cannot be true and not true at the same time, that only happens in human language and ideas. The objective truth exists outside of reason and feelings... outside of the realm of perception. That's why it appears as truth to us.

Feelings are feeble and subject to change. Thoughts are however rational they may be only approximations of the truth. So there are ofcourse flaws in how humans feel, act and think.

But to completely abandon the idea of truth simply because humans are paradoxical or because you don't want to believe there is an objective truth doesn't make that reality.

I am arguing to indeed believe in something outside of us, something objective, there are gems to be found if you start from the point of view that truth exists and can be found instead of it being dead or non-existent (i.e. nihilism)

I think you're mainly arguing the last paragraph where i used the duality of truth and false to say we think too black and white at times to uncover the truth. My point with that was that if we DEEM something truth (i.e. society deems something good or morally superior) then we stop thinking altogether and rarely if ever change our own views based on our own truth finding.

If you don't try to fit everything inside of those polar opposite boxes of "true" and "false" which is usually done under peer pressure and in groupthink, do you really stand a chance to view everything under a holistic lens. THEN the truth can emerge. THEN the truth can even encompass the falsehood in a way where you can feel sympathy for the falsehood and see where it deviated from the truth to begin with. You can see the whole tree instead of a few branches. Which then in turn starts to connect the dots with everything else around you.

be2ye

1y

I can see why that would sound dual but i don't agree.

The truth is objective, the truth is monolithic and holistic.
Something cannot be true and not true at the same time, that only happens in human language and ideas. The objective truth exists outside of reason and feelings... outside of the realm of perception. That's why it appears as truth to us.

Feelings are feeble and subject to change. Thoughts are however rational they may be only approximations of the truth. So there are ofcourse flaws in how humans feel, act and think.

But to completely abandon the idea of truth simply because humans are paradoxical or because you don't want to believe there is an objective truth doesn't make that reality.

I am arguing to indeed believe in something outside of us, something objective, there are gems to be found if you start from the point of view that truth exists and can be found instead of it being dead or non-existent (i.e. nihilism)

I think you're mainly arguing the last paragraph where i used the duality of truth and false to say we think too black and white at times to uncover the truth. My point with that was that if we DEEM something truth (i.e. society deems something good or morally superior) then we stop thinking altogether and rarely if ever change our own views based on our own truth finding.

If you don't try to fit everything inside of those polar opposite boxes of "true" and "false" which is usually done under peer pressure and in groupthink, do you really stand a chance to view everything under a holistic lens. THEN the truth can emerge. THEN the truth can even encompass the falsehood in a way where you can feel sympathy for the falsehood and see where it deviated from the truth to begin with. You can see the whole tree instead of a few branches. Which then in turn starts to connect the dots with everything else around you.

slimreapercantrap

1y

ok how are u so certain the truth is objective. more to my point, how are you so certain that what's true to you must be true to everyone else as well?

I think personal truth is perfectly fair. our perspective comes with a certain attitude towards the world, and it's alright to follow that, as long as we don't universalize it and push it on others (the plague of western philosophy).

It's entirely possible to avoid nihilism and find meaning in life without also going full rationalist and dedicating urself to an imaginary objective truth. frankly to only see the duality of dedicated rationalist and depressed nihilist is very shallow and kind of upsetting to me. I don't like the heavy commitment to some imaginary objectivity, it's lame asf. I mean when someone says "dude ur federal asf" that's just calling out that overcommitment. We can recognize this as a society. but a person like me who feels this way is then labeled as depressed or nihilistic or whatever else, just bc ur committed to this false duality

slimreapercantrap

1y

im with u when ur saying ppl shouldn't commit too much to the labels "true" and "false", but im not with u when u say that the next step is to find the capital T "Truth". it totally conflicts with what ur saying!!

be2ye

1y

The truth is unknowable in its entirety, we can both agree on that. But that doesn't make it undesirable or unworthy of our attention and pursuit.

Most if not all good things, come from truth.

If Palestine were to be wiped off the map tomorrow, you and i both would still acknowledge it existed. Some things exist outside of our heads and bodies. Some things exist outside of the air we breathe in. They exist outside of the liminal space in our heads where we enter ideas to even approach the truth. The truth is true irregardless of the passing of time.

What happened yesterday, happened and will never not have happened.

The fabric of truth exists, precisely because we cannot change it. We are powerless over it and it is all-powerful and all-consuming around and within everything.

If you don't consider this reality, you would be arguing against the very meaning of the words you are using to convey why you don't agree. There is meaning in anything. The reason we can even argue, is because you and i are both convinced of a truth.
Whether that truth is the capital T or lowercase t is hard for us to decide. But there exists a capital T, whether you or i exist or like it.

That goes by mere logic of you and i trying to convey the truth of our points.

slimreapercantrap

1y

untrue lol

all i need to convey my points is u believing in language. I don't actually have to commit to that myself, I just have to utilize what u believe.

be2ye

1y

The capital T shouldn't intimidate you. You are actually in search of truth by trying to point out my contradiction.

I don't see that contradiction, but please point out how that would be.

be2ye

1y

If we don't agree there is truth to what we say, what makes you argue against or for any point?

slimreapercantrap

1y

the distinction between truth and capital-T Truth is FRAUDULENT. really all ur saying is that ur personal truth is better than everyone else's. that's actually totally fine, I mean of course from ur perspective ur truth is the best truth. BUT u should be self-aware about this.

slimreapercantrap

1y

because it's fun lol

im just shooting the breeze

lil ufo

1y

TLDR
The text laments the impact of nihilism on modern life, arguing that many people no longer find meaning or purpose in their existence. It criticizes society's shallow approach to absorbing new knowledge and its tendency to dismiss deep engagement with ideas.

The text also highlights a Western bias toward rationality over experiential feelings and suggests that this division leads to cognitive dissonance.

It argues that people have become overly a***ytical and disconnected from their bodies, unable to merge their minds and bodies for a more meaningful life.

The author calls for a more holistic and intuitive approach to life, one that seeks truth in the smallest of places and questions the prevailing theories passed off as sources of truth.