The soviet union was one of the most racist constructs ever, minorities who had been living in central Asia for thousands of years got shunted across the country and killed them when they tried to rebel.

Why is it the far left assumes that in the chaos of revolution, people wont fall back on their base tribal instincts?

And before someone says 'not real communism', ok, if that ain't real communism what even makes you think real communism is achievable if it never actually came about ever.

And no, racism didnt originate with capitalism. Pre capitalism there are countless cases of oppression based on religion, ethnic origin. Racism under capitalism is merely one of the most recent iterations of oppression based on racial characteristics

We all know capitalist countries are racist but that's common knowledge. The grass looks greener on the other side. Maybe racism is a failure of individuals born of ignorance, and not endemic to a specific economic system.

This post isnt pro capitalism, I'm not saying capitalism cures racism or any of that s***, but you guys need your beliefs examined too or they dont stand up to reality or people contesting them

my opinion: racism is a product of tribalism and tribalist thinking. you absolutely can have capitalism without racism

No one thinks that, not even socialists. Where did you get this idea that socialists think that racism can completely disappear

Many (not all) think that racism is a product of capitalism, and that to be anti racist means to be anti capitalist.

Yet we've seen many nominally anti capitalist and racist movements devolve into racism eventually.
So what is the problem?

Soviet Union was more of an oligarchy than true socialism anyway

Socialists do not think racism is a product of capitalism. Capitalism exasperates racism because under if theres usually large income inequalities where white people are at the top and minorities are mostly in the bottom. The rich(usually white) use poor minorities as scapegoats to blame them for all the follies of the state and to uphold the status quo.

Yes there are poor whites but there’s a reason the majority of them vote for republican while the majority of poor black people and Latinos vote Democrat. Not saying that the dems are socialists.

socialists just broke bois tbh

if youre interested in actual discussion, what part of this post makes you react this way?

ah you mean those dsa types? sorry i should have clarified i meant the really far left types.

The far left doesn't even believe that s***.

yes they do, they believe racism is a product of capitalism and you cant have capitalism without racism (providing no data or hard evidence for this claim)

they view it as a symptom and that overthrowing capitalism is necessary to end it

interesting

As long as there is religion there will be racism

The goal of achieving a socialist level of equality (e.g. removal of social hierarchies + removal of inborn wealth) literally with make racism cease. That's literally just what it is. It takes both removal of inborn wealth and the removal of social hierarchy. You can't have both without the other. Anyone who thinks so is either a liberal or a class reductionist, depending on what they focus on.

waiting to reply cus i know synopsis will just quote me and have me re evaluate my life

this doesnt refute my argument

what if people continue being prejudiced and find ways to f*** over different groups even with the removal of social hierarchy? and what makes you think people wont just revert

youve given a hypothetical but not accounted for so many flaws that could derail this

you havent proven that socialist equality will end racism

@Synopsis

oh here we go

bring it on

hopefully he manages it without name calling and bad faith

lmaoo

There's a difference between pure socialism and democratic socialism

Shut the f*** up and leave you idiot

bit harsh on him man

i dont agree with either really but damn wheres the respect

Dude just brings up some toddler level response to something no is one talking about. Not even relevant to the conversation. Also trying to stir the pot.

ah ok i guess

i do agree he didnt actually get to my point lol

There is a strategical reason for groups fighting across history rather than some inborn "desire" for fighting; peeling the layers back it comes to control of resources, no matter what guise it is under (e.g. ideological control of religion or thought). Over time, relations like this develops into racism.

Without the need for domination over resources & a great cultural revolution to remove the racial "traditions", racism (and other forms of persecution) should cease to exist.

Point being, I disagree that people "happen to" fight and persecute groups; it is a very rational thought and action.

People in this thread are telling you that nobody believes that s*** and you're just refuting it and saying "yes they do"

Sounds like you're forcing words into the mouth of socialists

Either that, or you're taking the opinion of the few and applying it to many, which is just as dumb