americana

3y

What capitalist and rich countries? Arabia? Japan? South Korea? Scandinavia? Arabian countries employ black and East Asian slaves even today who earn meager wages and have passports revoked so they can't return home. Japan and Korea have some of the most debilitating work cultures in the world and experience massive suicide rates, shrinking populations, and low happiness. Traditional Scandinavian wealth has always been linked to internal and left wing social policy, but practices like Scandinavian exceptionalism are linked to a general opposition to outsiders, which end up usually being nonwhite, and Swedish corporations like IKEA and Saab still use cheap, cents-on-the-dollar labor in a plethora of third world countries.

As for the fall in poverty, it can actually be evidenced in socialist and proto-socialist laborers' rights movements secured the rights of workers in the 20th centuries. As for a fall in poverty throughout the world, this is because companies have diverted most labor from the first world into the third world because it is fare cheaper. So yes, while they may be earning more money than the 1970's because of overseas production, you're dividing maybe 2-3% of the wages americans got among a population that's 4-5 times bigger, so the wealth accrual that we're seeing is extremely negligible, and it's coming a the cost of Americans, who are seeing a decrease in food security and an increase in general cost while wages stagnate. Also, the wealth that the third world makes doesn't stop climate change or starvation, which kills 9,000,000 a year of which 3,100,000 are children

Which is funny because capitalist run to any and every mistake a socialist framework makes, but the "tried and true" system kills more people every year

TLDR: They use other racist or neo-colonial methods. The increase is because of the exportation of labor by American companies so that they have to pay fewer wages (usually by cents on the dollar)

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Work cultures or not, east asia has seen HUGE growth and prosperity, and your point about saudi arabia damages the assertion that racism in an economic system is an innately caucasian/white phenomenon

Also scandinavian countries do the most, huge ngos and high rates of humanitarian aid, and refugee acceptance

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Work cultures or not, east asia has seen HUGE growth and prosperity, and your point about saudi arabia damages the assertion that racism in an economic system is an innately caucasian/white phenomenon

Also scandinavian countries do the most, huge ngos and high rates of humanitarian aid, and refugee acceptance

americana

3y

Growth of wealth? Who cares about growth of wealth when they're extremely unhappy countries where people don't start families, live in closet sized apartments, and kill themselves? What the f***?

And just because Saudi Arabia uses racism and they're not caucasian (which they are, mind you. Levantine and Persian ethnicities are 100% white), doesn't make the racism that they employ some kind of ethical

americana

3y

Growth of wealth? Who cares about growth of wealth when they're extremely unhappy countries where people don't start families, live in closet sized apartments, and kill themselves? What the f***?

And just because Saudi Arabia uses racism and they're not caucasian (which they are, mind you. Levantine and Persian ethnicities are 100% white), doesn't make the racism that they employ some kind of ethical

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Saudi arabia is an Arab country, it isnt even remotely white or persian
I'm not saying their racism is ethical either, no racism is

americana

3y

it is absolutely besides the point and a meaningless argument. At the end of the day, it is a lighter skinned oppressor making use of unethical darker skinned labor to the point that it can be described as slavery. Colorism is a major byproduct of post-colonial thought, and whiter/lighter skinned people have been generally seen as "more desirable" than their dark skinned partners since the 1800s. You can look into colorism in India and skin bleaching practices if you doubt this

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

I mean sure they're unhappy but that's a modern life problem, not a capitalism one

And yeah sure thats true. 3 or 4 generations ago theyd have died of disease or risked starvation on subsistence farms

americana

3y

Actually it's capitalism one specifically. Unhappiness and stress in those countries is specifically linked to the work culture they experience, as they demand more and more hours for fewer and fewer wages.

Food security in the third world is still absolutely atrocious in the Third World and it won't be fixed because companies do not want to risk artificial scarcity to keep prices high

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

The india colourism goes back even further, Caste system based on it

americana

3y

And it was only further reinforced by British authorities by deposing darker skinned princes and turning white princes as the MUghals fell

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Change the work culture then, many countries have a more relaxed work culture and extremely similar quality of life, it is a solvable issue

Agree on food security tho, we should remove tariffs so we can buy their goods and share the bounty

americana

3y

That would be socialist rhetoric to most Americans and Japanese

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

The optics matter too, I agree this is a huge roadblock

What you need is more politicians like Sherrod brown pushing it

americana

3y

Sherrod Brown is wack as f***, he supported the extremely unpopular Venezualan coup president who was looking to sell nationalized cobalt mines to Tesla

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Well this is where we are gonna start disagreeing but I dont think we will get anywhere

I like him cause hes a progressive who fights for working class people in a way that appeals to them

americana

3y

also that has nothing to do with the existence of racism within capitalism

It will take a massive, socialist restructuring of labor law and asset placement to actually end both economic and persecutional racism

TragedyBerlusconi

3y

Ehh I still disagree, altho yeah economic means will be necessary. I support targeting underprivileged youth with government bonds at birth for example, and a UBU

americana

3y

This is such an unnecessarily complicated and bureaucratic practice that won't last an opposition movement when breaking up corporations, supporting workers' movements in the third world, and taking a hard line against corporate money in government is all we need